I think cigarette smokers are the most inconsiderate people there are, it is not the smoking alone itself that makes their lives so disgusting, but also when their nicotine level is low they are such jerks to be around with their attitudes and craving madness for a fix. Did I ever tell you how much I hate cigarettes

it is a disgusting habit and most people that smoke are pretty stupid and lazy about it. They know that many people don't like smoking nearby where they are, but they do it anyways. By smoking in the area, they're forcing everyone in the area to smoke with them. Guess what, some people like me are allergic to the smoke. It gives me massive migraines and I have to leave just because someone needed to get their fix. That is stupid bullshit that someone is forcing me to leave for something that has no benefit to mankind and should never have been invented in the first place. Just name one beneficial thing that smoking has on the human body and I can name twenty bad things that it does. Just like all those medication commercials, when you listen to the side effects, you can't help but thinking that the cure is worse than the disease. I can't wait until these useless things are banned from this country.

I gave up two years ago after 15 years of smoking. I had to do it, as the smell on my clothes and in my hair, was horrible. Boyfriends hated kissing me after I'd smoked and when i could smell it on others, i knew that's what i smelt like, and i had to stop.
I agree with the ban, i would always sit in non smoking parts of restaurants as i can't stand people smoking around me when you are trying to enjoy a good meal, and i was a smoker.
I wouldn't see this thread as a personal attack on me if i still smoked, it is something that is a big thing in the UK at the moment, as the ban has just come into force.
Good luck to anyone trying or thinking of giving up

~~JCSOS--California has at least one town [Baker} that even has made it illegal to smoke in your own yard. Also there have been drivers that have gotten tickets for smoking in a work place. [the truck].

Now, I disagree with this.
I am a smoker, have been a long time (Yes, I know I should quit, but I am not rude about it, I can wait till I go outside), this is the one and only time I will comment on it.
I could give it up. Have done so in the past, however (and this is bad) I can no longer do it by myself when someone else does it around me. If I smell it, I want it. Is that weak of me? probably. but it is my one vice. I don't drink to excess, I don't do illegal drugs, the only other thing I do is drink coffee.
I don't have a problem with a restaurant I can't smoke in. I don't want to smell it while I'm eating. No problem there.
Here in Fl, you can smoke in a bar, if they have under a certain percentage of food sales. But to not be able to in my own car or yard? No. That is infringing. You don't like me to smoke in my car? Don't ride with me.

Not angry, not ranting, each is entitled to their own opinion and views. I don't force mine on someone else, all I ask is they don't force theirs on me.

I take extra care of my skin because I do smoke and am aware of the ramifications, I take vitamins and be sure that I get what I need to compensate as much as humanly possible.

I do agree with you Pepper, someone should be allowed to smoke at home, in the garden and their car.
Do have to say, i was shocked to learn, you drink........... COFFEE!!!
Fancy a cuppa

  QUOTE (hotbubblegum @ July 2, 2007, 07:37)


If you pourin' darlin, I'll be right there!

Ok.. Ok.. another smoking thing. The options available are so simple when it comes to smoking, it really floors me how much debate there really is with this.

For those who don't know... Yes, I am a smoker... have been for.. over 19 yrs now. I've thought of quitting.. and I might... just that right now, I plain don't feel like it. These bans that have been popping up all over the world now are completely rediculous. It's always the non-smokers "whining" that they don't have a place to eat or hang out without smoke in their face. Lemme tell ya, I have found many places over the years that did not have a smoking section in their business where you could have gone to.... and this is LONG before these bans took place.

My solution is simple, there should be places strictly for non-smokers.. and some for smokers alike. A law telling me I can't smoke in my car with a passenger in it?... or smoke outside in a public place?... They'd have to be out of their mind to think I'd ever obey laws like that???!!!! They can ticket me.. go ahead.. I'll be sure to not pay their fine. Jail me?.. that's fine too.... (I just might need the vacation). There needs to be a more sensible solution to all this. Oh.. btw... anytime a city needs a stadium built .. or more money for something like that.. it seems that they tax cigs and booze... every time. It's time that stopped too! This situation needs a real grip!

So you're basically saying that if I don't like smoking, it it causes me HEALTH problems, that I should have the places I can go limited to basically nowhere, so you can enjoy your cancer stick in public? That's bullshit. I've punched people in the face for exhaling directly on me. Back away from the doors a little bit (I understand when its raining to be nearby), don't smoke inside a public place, and don't breath out your smoke directly on me (unless you want a shiner), and its good with me. I could care less about what you do in your car or in your home. You own those things, I have no right to impose my will on you there.

BTW, exhaling your smoke in someone's face is considered assault.

I have already said, this was not intended to be a personal attack on smokers, i was interested in the thoughts of members regarding the UK ban.
I don't want this to become an attack on those who choose not to smoke either.
Despite what is or isn't said, people do die from smoking related illness everyday, which includes second hand smoke, that is something Left to the doctors to clarify. My uncle however works in one of the major cancer research hospitals, so i do know the health issues to smoking and 2nd hand smoke. That's what made the ban of interest,
I don't want this topic to become a fight between members, it was just a question.
If it seems people are going to snipe at each other, then I'd rather lock this thread.
I did not post it to cause bad feeling amongst the members.

I must opine on this subject, after reading the various rants and attacks on smokers and personal choice. There's also another debate that's rampant nowadays about another such "personal choice" but even I won't bring that here...and that leads, in some peoples mind to straight murder. But, I digress...some years ago there was a study done in, of all places, England that showed that secondhand smoke caused no more health issues than normal everyday outdoor metropolitan air. Saw it for about 3-4 days then was quickly squelched hard. Now, if you looked at the pyshics of a cigarette and its contents, you would see that ALL the harmful chemicals and agents in it are completely and directly absorb by the smoker, the byproduct...smoke...is less harmful than vehicle emissions. As to the smell and such, I have to agree to that being a problem...yet something a regular use of soap and shampoo and laundry detergent can easily cure.
Restaurants and other such "public" places i can agree with...I've always been agreeable to nonsmokers IF they act like adults instead of whiny ass kids and ask politely, even if I'm outside. Bars/pubs/watering holes...I'll NEVER argee to that. By their very nature and beginnings these places have been for the indulgences of certain vices and as such, if you don't want to be around those then stay away...many restaurant chains nowadays have bars and such so people can't even use the "well, i want a drink so why should i be subjected to it" line anymore. Go to Applebee's and drink where it's smokefree and leave me my ONE place I can go to and not have to worry about offending someones sensibilities. And for those that want to cry for the people that work at such establishments, they know what kind of place they're submitting an application to...if they don't like smoke then WHY try to get a job there? And, WHY foist yourself off on people you don't agree to be around or like what they do?
And to compare cigs to drugs is anal in the VERY least. Sure, a smoking addiction is as strong as a heroin addiction but I have YET to hear of gangs and criminals fighting, killing and making money off tobacco products

There are so many things I want to say about this.... but I'd probably be banned from the forums from it.. All I'll say is this...

Well lets see here. I have read all the posts, including those that have replied in a very negative and demeaning manor. I wasn't going to post here, but if someone doesn't like it, tuff shit.
I am a smoker of 25 plus years. Its all about choice, period. If I choose to smoke or not, that's my business, not yours. I will not or do not shove my choice down your throat, and you should not shove your choice down my throat. I've heard all the arguments about this issue. It all comes down to the fact that some inconsiderate asshole is throwing a temper tantrum and shoving their opinion down my throat. You have the choice not to go any place of business that allows smoking. That's on you, not me. Case in point. It was not all that long ago, there was a city that had a total ban on smoking. That was fine and dandy, but the business's soon after demanded that the law be repealed, as they suffered very significant loses in revenue. No one was coming to that city to patronize any of the restaurants or bars. Instead they would go to the neighboring city were smoking was still allowed. If it was profitable for a business, not to allow smoking, then why didn't anyone open a restaurant or bar up that was smoke free?
I know that someone is going to bring up the issue of jobs. The lines goes that I now have health issues from second hand smoke. OK, but you had the choice of not working there. No one has forced you to work, eat, drink in any area that has allowed smoking. Its still all about choice. Bottom line.
Some have brought up the issue of them paying for the health care costs of smoking. If you only knew the actual costs that are related to the illegal drugs that are consumed in this country, you would be astonished. That alone is much, much higher than smoking.

Here in Minnesota, the smoking ban in all public places will take effect this fall.

I think all people should have the freedom and right to do as they please to themselves, but in the process of doing harmfull things to them selves they always affect innocent bystanders, that is why laws are made, to protect the ones who cannot protect themselves from the inconciderate ones.
Every day as I travel down the road there are very many parents in cars smoking with there kids right in the cars with them,,,talk about a grose violation of personal rights,,,,and the stupid inconsiderate parent think that is alright cus,,,OH I have the window cracked open,,,that is sooo unfair to all those Kids.
I think smokers should just Eat the cigaretts and cigars and get the full 100% flavor of there addiction with out affecting anyone else. Why do the chewers buy tobbacco, chew it, then spit the crap out? They should just do less less tobacco and swallow and get the full benifit from their addiction.

I am a smoker, so be careful or your profile might disappear

PS: Just kidding of course. Everyone's got an opinion and the point of the forum is to let everyone know what's your opinion. The forum is not about judging the opinion of the person above you. Either agree or disagree, no need for name calling and drammas.