REAL, you are one gorgeous human being. Your boys are very, very fortunate to have someone who was there for them and not out trying to "find" herself, while her kids were basically home alone, doing god knows what.

Would you be my mom? Sounds a bit incestuous, doesn't it?

  QUOTE (voyeurbill @ May 22, 2007, 07:48)


Some of us working mom's aren't trying to "find themselves" Bill, just trying to balance work and raising children. I don't have just some job, I have a career and it pays for medical insurance, daycare, clothing, food, and other essentials for my family.

"Mothers" have evolved!
Over the decades, they've had to deal with being seen as "only a housewife ", then on to the guilt trip when they needed or just wanted to get out, get a job, build a career.
Right now, maybe mothers do need to "find themselves" but not for selfish reasons, they are raising a new, more tolerant generation that hopefully will erase the need for men to need sensitivity training and therapy, and to set a fine example to their daughters to find their own way, and not to depend on a man for health, well being, financial stability, and general happiness.

...And it's these finest of women and mothers...that will recognize problems in other children, offer any help to any friend of their own children that is suffering in any way.

I knew this gal who was always involved with her kids at the school, at home. She was always there for her kids. Wouldn't you know it but one day at school, the pricipal took her aside and told her to leave the school, she needed to get away from her kids and let them be on their own. This mom was always there for them, but never smuthered them. And here you have a mom that doesn't want much of anything to do with her kids. Hum, I wonder where the kids will end up as they get into their later teen years?

Have you heard about the mom giving an interview saying that raising her kids was not fulfilling enough and very monotonous, what with reading to her kids and everything! Wow mom, do you think you were such a prize to your mom? Were you such a wondrous creature that she marveled everytime you farted or said something cute? How can she say something as stupid or asinine as that?

Yeh, it's a job raising kids but you should have thought about that when you were conceiving them! You just wanted babies, not a commitment for 20 or more years..... Would this disgruntled woman feel the same if she knew her mom was bored out of her mind raising her?

  QUOTE (voyeurbill @ May 22, 2007, 07:25)


I know exactly what you are saying VB, but, I am thinking that I quite admire her honesty?

  QUOTE (Liberalwife @ May 23, 2007, 05:24)


LIB, when I first heard her say that, I thought what a selfish bitch she is. Her kids didn't asked to be born. She chose to bear them. It sounded to me by her conversation that she only wanted a baby and not the consequences of them growing older.

My immediate thought was "well that's too f**kin' bad"! The whole children thing comes as a package deal. All in all, I don't think she thought the "boring" thing through. She came off sounding like a complete asshole to me, anyway. I know most moms do not feel as she does. They are proud of the job of being a mom. It' been calculated that the title of "domestic goddess" (which includes both mothering, household management and upkeep) should command an annual salary of approximately $180,000!!

Again, this is my "arrogant" and closed minded opinion of that particular "woman" and her comments!

I definitely applaud working moms. Raising children is hard and has to be twice as hard when trying to keep up with them and a job outside of the home as well.