we have a place here in Missouri called Wolf Sanctuary where they help wolves get back into the wilderness and etc i never been there but i knew some people that been there before

It's amazing that in this day and age that we still have people that don't understand or won't take the time to research something that is so vital to our environment.

  QUOTE (funlovingpair @ May 5, 2006, 12:04)


That is SO true! That's why I love y'all so much and share this information with you. We're the ones that need to spread the word! Tell you family, tell your friends.... keep the info going! Humans were the ones who drove them to near extinction.. The least we can do is help restore their populations and keep them protected!!!

this talk is all one sided.tink about this all you pepole keep breeding like roaches.and the one thing that we will never have any more of is land.so take your pick you or the wolfs.never thought of that did ya.and dont take me wrong i love animales and have some.thats that.....

this talk is all one sided.tink about this all you pepole keep breeding like roaches.and the one thing that we will never have any more of is land.so take your pick you or the wolfs.never thought of that did ya.and dont take me wrong i love animales and have some.thats that.....

  QUOTE (walkerdog @ May 5, 2006, 21:13)


For one thing, whether you want to believe it or not, there is plenty of land out there! And the reason they want to cut the population by so many % is to save large game for human hunters! It all boils down to tourism DOLLARS!!!!

  QUOTE (MoonHowler @ May 8, 2006, 10:43)



Ah hah! You mean all those human hunters that throw away the meat from last years kills, to make room for this years? The hunters that kill, cut off just the best bit to take with them, leaving the majority of the animal to just lie and rot where it fell?
I live in a very rural area, lots of hunting goes on here, most of these people take and use up everything they hunt, they have to so their families can be fed, some even resort to poaching if suddenly laid off from their jobs, or they hit hard times. I don't even object to that, they still have immense respect for the land and everything that lives on it. But catering to "hobby and trophy hunters" I have a whole other opinion on that.

Moonhowler I'm in partial agreement with you on this. I do however think that there are at times, valid reasons for thinning the population of animals in the wild. Do you agree with that, or is it your position that we as humans should never interfere with nature?
BTW. I'm not a hunter and I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I was forced to kill and eat a spotted owl once, but I didn't want to.

they been trying to do the same thing with deer here in the West County St. Louis area and also parts of St. Charles and a few other places where deer have been rampaging due to the deer population here within the last 10 years but they recently been trying to get a law passed or something but im not all for it nor all the killings of the deer thinks we could find a place for the deer to live in a natural wildlife habitat

Moonhowler I'm in partial agreement with you on this. I do however think that there are at times, valid reasons for thinning the population of animals in the wild. Do you agree with that, or is it your position that we as humans should never interfere with nature?
BTW. I'm not a hunter and I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I was forced to kill and eat a spotted owl once, but I didn't want to.

deer in the city ,means they are eating someones friggin flowers, more flowers will come right back. can you shoot a person that you see picking your flowers ?

deer in the city ,means they are eating someones friggin flowers, more flowers will come right back. can you shoot a person that you see picking your flowers ?

deer in the city ,means they are eating someones friggin flowers, more flowers will come right back. can you shoot a person that you see picking your flowers ?

  QUOTE (Slayer533 @ May 8, 2006, 17:49)




I see your point, "thinning" the population of animals for the reason of assuring the health of their population is our duty, I feel. Thinning the population for our convenience should be strictly watched and regulated. Just because we are at the top of the food chain, we shouldn't be so arrogant as to forget we are part of an eco-system, and not the owners of it.


And Tomboy, I'm close to the deer problem plaguing the city, it's a silly mess every year, no one seems to be able to make the right compromises on the issue.

Recently, members of the Pennsylvania Dog Law Advisory Board received pink slips from Pennsylvania Governor Rendell, in what he called the first step toward addressing inhumane conditions at the growing number of commercial dog breeding operations.

Let's hope they stay on their asses!!!!

Wolves are a beautiful animal and no-one should have the right to kill them. I can't understand how anyone would want to kill them and risk wiping them out.

Sadly thats the drive behind everything of beauty. God whats next???, oh no!!! Maybe we guys should guard you lovely ladies...lol

Sounds good to me!

I'm not apposed to hunting over here. Mainly because, even with predators, our deer population would skyrocket if we didn't allow hunting. Thank goodness for "seasons," though. If it were a year round thing, wolves would be extinct by now. People would have eradicated the large game population, leaving nothing for natural predators. Where the money part comes in, though, is when you eliminate the competition (wolves) to reel in more hunters... buying licenses, tourism to states with large game, etc.... That's the reason they're allowing aerial shooting of wolves in Alaska. More game for tourist hunters.

There are also the ranchers... who get reimbursed by certain wildlife orgs when they confirm that their livestock was killed by a wolf. Either way they're making their money.. yet they still bitch

One night at GED class a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about coyotes. One girl (16 year old) said, "we have coyotes around here?" We got to talking about how they've been known to kill small dogs and cats. She said, "why don't they just kill 'em?" Everyone looked at me then back at her....... I had some explaining to do to that child