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ashkats
65 / couple
crystal falls, Michigan, US
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cruise ships
now i see on on its side , and with over 4 thousand peoples aboard, seem ev ery time ya turn around ones burning or capsizing or so one , seems they are worse then airplanes , glad i take trains
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| January 17, 2012, 01:11 |
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GG317
60 / male
Bowl of Granola, Massachusetts, US
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Re: cruise ships
QUOTE (ashkats @ January 17, 2012, 01:11)now i see on on its side , and with over 4 thousand peoples aboard, seem ev ery time ya turn around ones burning or capsizing or so one , seems they are worse then airplanes , glad i take trains
Can you take a train to Jamaica?... 
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| January 17, 2012, 06:57 |
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wandering5tar
53 / male
London, England, UK
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Re: cruise ships
QUOTE (ashkats @ January 17, 2012, 01:11)now i see on on its side , and with over 4 thousand peoples aboard, seem ev ery time ya turn around ones burning or capsizing or so one , seems they are worse then airplanes , glad i take trains
I hope you don't drive a car then; 30,797 Americans died as a result of road traffic accidents in 2009 and that was a good year (>20% lower than any of the previous 15 years)
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| January 17, 2012, 12:32 |
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ashkats
65 / couple
crystal falls, Michigan, US
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Re: cruise ships
don't think i go to Jamaica anyway maybe to the keys or someplace , Hawaii too, Mackinaw island no cars there...
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| January 17, 2012, 16:55 |
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Re: Re: cruise ships
QUOTE (GentleGiant388 @ January 17, 2012, 06:57) QUOTE (ashkats @ January 17, 2012, 01:11)now i see on on its side , and with over 4 thousand peoples aboard, seem ev ery time ya turn around ones burning or capsizing or so one , seems they are worse then airplanes , glad i take trains
Can you take a train to Jamaica?...
Hey!!!! I just won an all expense paid train trip to Hawaii.
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| January 17, 2012, 19:53 |
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ashkats
65 / couple
crystal falls, Michigan, US
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Re: cruise ships
ya did, hope it isn't like the cruise we won a few years back .....it was some pretty convincing out house wallpaper
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| January 18, 2012, 01:07 |
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newbie1011
62 / female
The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Re: cruise ships
The regulations on cruise ship safety is at best a joke and has been talked about for several years now. Because they have to deal with maritime laws as well as various counties, coastguard etc. it gets very confusing and it is mostly self monitored. That being said the safety record on cruises has actually been much better than you might think. The main reason being is that if people start dieing it is bad for business.
The reason it seems so scary to most people is the fact that if a plane, bus, cruise, train or anything that carries a large number of people at a time gets into some type of accident its difficult to say "its just one accident and considering how many planes, buses,trains and cruises there are on a given day that's not bad." The problem being that one accident can injure or kill hundreds if not thousands of people in that one accident. Of course the media plays it up as well so it just feeds the fears.The facts are that more people die in their homes, crossing the street or in a car accident individually than probably all those large people movers combined in a given year.
In the case of this cruise ship in Italy considering it had several thousand people and a minimal amount even got hurt let alone killed. That's amazing.Of course if its a person you loved then even one is to many but to be totally objective a car accident on the Garden State parkway during rush would most likely kill more people than the ones that died in this cruise accident.Hell in my accident alone there were seven people with injuries and two cars when it was all said and done. (Someone hit us when our car went into the spin) and that was only two cars as I said.I believe the reported number of dead and or missing in the Italian cruise accident is sixteen. I also believe they said there were over four thousand people on board at the time of the accident. I believe they said it was also due totally to the Captain basically fucking up in a big way, and not mechanical failure. (Although I am surprised they came to that conclusion so quickly)
I can only speak for myself when I say this accident would not deter me from taking a cruise.I would add that I do believe they should have much better regulation and be accountable for safety no matter how good they think they have been they still have had many reports of security issues on cruises because of lack of regulation.
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| January 19, 2012, 09:18 |
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Re: cruise ships
In USA Today----The search was suspended because teh ship moved and may sink----Captain says he abandonded ship by accident.---WTF?
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| January 20, 2012, 00:22 |
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Re: cruise ships
Newbie---Comparing this to crashes on GSP is something a person looking to legitimitize something does.
There's no excuse for this at all. The captain was stupid enough to volentarily drive the ship too close to shore so a chef could have a photo op for his family. How stupid is that?
Putting people lives at risk for no real reason. Nothing but foolishness.
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| January 20, 2012, 00:25 |
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ashkats
65 / couple
crystal falls, Michigan, US
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Re: cruise ships
indeed , it moved or was being move i seen today?
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| January 20, 2012, 18:25 |
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newbie1011
62 / female
The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Re: cruise ships
OOMG I'm not saying this is acceptable. This Captain is an major ass-whole and should go to jail.I was referring to the safety records of cruise ships and was trying to make the point that I would not be afraid to take a cruise because of this incident. I have heard this schmuck has changed his version of what happened several times. They are looking for some 25 year old woman he was supposedly hanging out with when this happened. Maybe he was getting a blowjob and wasn't paying attention for all we know. The last claim I heard he made was that he had planed this route and had it mapped out and had done it before without incident and the cruise line was well aware of it all. Being out on boats and living by the water my entire life I do understand that tides, currents and even coral reefs can change but I seriously doubt the cruise line would let him take a chance like that with a multi-million dollar cruise ship and over 4,000 people.
I do find it amazing how few casualties there were. I also hear today that the rocks they are on are only about 50 feet deep which I knew but, if the ship shifts just right it will go off a 300 foot deep cliff and that can be a much bigger disaster. That is one reason they keep pulling the divers out when it even shifts a bit.
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| January 21, 2012, 05:46 |
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kamarel
60 / male
Alexandria, Louisiana, US
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Re: Re: cruise ships
QUOTE (ashkats @ January 17, 2012, 16:55)don't think i go to Jamaica anyway maybe to the keys or someplace , Hawaii too, Mackinaw island no cars there...
Mackinac is closed this time of year
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| January 21, 2012, 10:12 |
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Re: Re: cruise ships
QUOTE (OOMG @ January 20, 2012, 00:22)In USA Today----The search was suspended because teh ship moved and may sink----Captain says he abandonded ship by accident.---WTF?
He claims he tripped and accidently fell into the life boat.
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| January 21, 2012, 13:30 |
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Iwant2kssuallovr
62 / female
Bendover, Florida, US
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Re: cruise ships
I've not wanted to follow this story, however, I've heard bits and pieces. They found the 25 year old woman whom accompanied the captain to dinner, but what will her testimony, honest or not, prove?
My issue is regardless of the captain's total cowardice and disregard for human lives and safety, I also hold the members of crew responsible to see the protocols are followed and safety measures practiced.
Was there not one person able to step up, report the captain and avoid this whole incident????
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| January 21, 2012, 14:51 |
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ashkats
65 / couple
crystal falls, Michigan, US
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Re: cruise ships
so is soo locks for 2 months .was watching a special on 20/20 late night all about that ship and others , fairies tooo. i mean he refused to go back about , becouse there was no power??just saving his own ass?i mean like hey dude your guest are dying ... a jail cell is too good i think
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| January 21, 2012, 21:44 |
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newbie1011
62 / female
The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Re: cruise ships
He will not be the only one charged. When the Staten Island ferry accident happened they charged several people when it was all finished. Many times they don't tell the public what thecplan is and let all involved hang themselves with their stories. Then they arrest them and follow up with charges. You can't t say the whole crew is at fault. After all most people got off without even a scratch. They haven't mentioned the second in comand or other crew yet but I'm sure they will. As sad as this is it could have been much worse. The Staten Island ferry crash was a horror seen compared to how calm most of the people on the cruise stayed.
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| January 22, 2012, 01:22 |
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Re: Re: Re: cruise ships
QUOTE (Chazzy @ January 21, 2012, 13:30) QUOTE (OOMG @ January 20, 2012, 00:22)In USA Today----The search was suspended because teh ship moved and may sink----Captain says he abandonded ship by accident.---WTF?
He claims he tripped and accidently fell into the life boat.
then just happened to fall onto a ride that took him home----
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| January 22, 2012, 01:52 |
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Re: cruise ships
I'm not sure if they can make charges stick. Of course they did on a US college student, so anything is possible.
I think by the time the passengers and crew get done suing the cruise line and the captian, neither should be around. 
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| January 22, 2012, 01:54 |
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Iwant2kssuallovr
62 / female
Bendover, Florida, US
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Re: cruise ships
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| January 22, 2012, 03:23 |
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newbie1011
62 / female
The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Re: cruise ships
Kiss not all that is in a contract makes it so.Its like when you see things that say we arr not responsable for lost or stolen items or damage to your property at a parking garage. It doesn't hold in court. Some laws over ride what people post. I've been down this road and won. People are under the delusion if it says it in writting it makes it a fact. Besides this cruise company in the eyes of the law will have been negligent which nullifies some things. However you are dealing with maritime and international laws. They can be messy. But they would go bankrupt before anyone sees a dime if the law allows.
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| January 22, 2012, 04:56 |
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hornyhobos
65 / couple
yooperville, Michigan, US
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Re: cruise ships
i been told just because its in a lease don't make it legal. I'm sure that holds for contracts too
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| January 23, 2012, 02:58 |
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Re: cruise ships
Discovery channel is promoting a soon to air documentary on this disaster. Allot of personal passenger footage and interviews.
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| February 4, 2012, 16:03 |
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ashkats
65 / couple
crystal falls, Michigan, US
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Re: cruise ships
that will be interesting , to see what they say on captain Coward, their saying 6 months to remove the ship .makes ya wonder on how they will refloat it with a big hole in the side...
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| February 4, 2012, 17:49 |
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GG317
60 / male
Bowl of Granola, Massachusetts, US
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Re: cruise ships
I once knew a girl (and yes she was blonde) who offered to pay for gas and expenses if I would drive her to Puerto Rico. She said this while playing pool, just as I knocked in the first stripey-ball. Anyone can tell you, If you get the stripey-ones, the game is almost assured to be won... 
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