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Cursive
Just caught a few words off TV news about schools who are phasing out penmanship and handwriting for keyboard skills.
Wow, I can't imagine a world where people aren't able to hand write a simple note, or struggle to use a pen and write their signature on a form or contract.
Anyway, time for me to log off for awhile today, if anyone runs across this story, and can copy and paste a bit of it for me, sure would appreciate that.
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| July 8, 2011, 13:12 |
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Re: Cursive
I've been wondering when this would happen. It's not bad enough that most can no longer do math or anything else without the aid of some machine. 
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| July 8, 2011, 13:14 |
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Yes! It's apparent how problematic it is when there is even a short term power outage.
Pen and paper are there, but some people become completely ineffective without a machine of some sort.
I can still hit very close to telling the right time by the position of the sun or the moon and stars.
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| July 8, 2011, 13:17 |
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To me, this type of thing is an absolute travesty. Proper grammar, spelling and punctuation are absolutely essential communication skills. What good are spelling and grammar checks on the computer if the user doesn't know which is the correct option to pick from the choices that are offered? People don't know the difference between two, to and too. Or their, there and they're. Patients and Patience. Sure, they can say them, but they can't spell them. Phasing out cursive in favor of keyboards is tantamount to allowing calculators in math classes. I was in a store the other day and my bill was $5.51. The clerk saw that I had a $10 bill in my hand and punched that into the register. However, I gave him $11.01. Well Dear Lord, you would have thought that I asked him to explain the Pythagorean Theorem to me.
Technology is great, it makes all of our lives easier. But the basics should not be phased out AT ALL!
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| July 8, 2011, 14:10 |
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wandering5tar
53 / male
London, England, UK
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QUOTE (Chazzy @ July 8, 2011, 13:17)some people become completely ineffective without a machine of some sort.
This is more a problem for you girls I think. Machinery has never served men well in this regard and most men are very good at "doing it manually"...
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| July 8, 2011, 14:15 |
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QUOTE (wandering5tar @ July 8, 2011, 14:15) QUOTE (Chazzy @ July 8, 2011, 13:17)some people become completely ineffective without a machine of some sort.
This is more a problem for you girls I think. Machinery has never served men well in this regard and most men are very good at "doing it manually"...
You got that right!!! [see masterbation post]
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| July 8, 2011, 14:17 |
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Iwant2kssuallovr
62 / female
Bendover, Florida, US
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Re: Cursive
My cousin and I were discussing this a couple of weeks ago. This article is in just one area. "It's a sign of the times: for students in Indiana, learning cursive is a thing of the past. The Department of Education sent a memo saying cursive handwriting will no longer be included in state standards. Instead students are expected to become proficient in keyboarding. Do you think cursive handwriting should still be taught in school?" There were allot of comments made on the subject. My cousin stated handwriting is an art, and it surely use to be. To me it is a sign of the time that we are becoming a world of lazy slackers.
I wrote to my cousin how I feel."This issue is TOTAL BULLSHIT!!! I was born and educated in Florida, all except for one year we lived in Ohio. I entered 3rd grade in Arlington, OH. The class was writing in cursive, something I had not learned. I taught myself, within a few days. In High School, I took typing as an elective. I made a D, and it brought my GPA down. I took a computer course in College, and never used it until my work in insurance. I was the absolute worst typist in the whole world. It took me YEARS to become proficient. Bottom line, is it that big of deal to continue to teach both? And, did you know your great Grandfather only had a 6th grade education? And, he wrote beautifully!!!!!! "
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| July 8, 2011, 14:53 |
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newbie1011
62 / female
The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Re: Cursive
Cursive writing has been out of the mandated curriculum for years in New York City school systems.
I found it amazing when I found that out. I know my kids had to learn it but never used it after third grade (we live in New Jersey). I had not realized they were not required to use it until one day I had told my son to sign his full legal name on a document and he printed it. I went nuts. I told him he had to write it in script. He said he hadn't used cursive since 3rd grade and would need to practice first.
From that point on I write everything in script so my kids have to at least know how to read it. I am shocked how many people their age can't read or write script.They believe there is no need for it.This amazes me. How can they sign things if they aren't taught to sign their names? Most older documents are in script. So does this mean they can only read them if they have the crib notes? What are the people making these decisions thinking?
I can't say much about Frees points on spelling, grammar, etc...I was taught and I just suck at it all. But at least they tried to teach me.I know they have not taught penmanship since before my time. I wonder how teachers read the things these kids write. My two sons have horrendous handwriting. My daughter is much better.
The powers at be really need to re-prioritize what the schools are teaching these days.It's scary to think about what they call an education these days. I know in our district if you fail a class you can do an online summer class for about 4 or 5 weeks to get the credit. That is bull shit!
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| July 8, 2011, 20:20 |
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kamarel
60 / male
Alexandria, Louisiana, US
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I gotta disagree. At work in the last 2 decades I have NEVER written a letter. My notes consist of a phone number and/or a name and company. Everything thing else has been through email. I'm a self-taught typist (ok, not completely, I remember an 8th grade class sort of) But it took decades to get to the point of respectability. I haven;t used cursive since high school graduation and Now only use it in my signature (sort of). Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your age, script went the way of the quill pen, parchment, the ditto machine and the dodo bird. Its an unnecessary skill. And if you get good at it become a calligrapher. You may be able to make a few extra bucks.
As far as being able to take a 4 week summer course for credit, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I absolutely BOMBED algebra II in HS. I couldn't get a grip on the trigonometry that got glossed over. 6 weeks later is was breezing through a calculus class without the book. Now if someone can get me through what I can't get a grip on in the final round of college calc I can limp through the rest my degree.
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| July 9, 2011, 00:55 |
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I would feel like such a total idiot if I was asked to sign a document, and all I could do is print.
I still hand address and sign greeting cards, invitations, thank you notes and such. I appreciate when the ones I receive are handwritten.
There are elders on both sides, my family and my in-laws who would think it tacky and/or lazy of me if I just ran the envelopes through the printer. I respect those older standards of etiquette, I find it charming really.
Kam, you could do better if you applied yourself
(Ha! Saw that on my report card more than once!) 
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| July 9, 2011, 01:07 |
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NRG4U
63 / male
Beaver City, Nebraska, US
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QUOTE (Iwant2kssuallovr @ July 8, 2011, 14:53)My cousin and I were discussing this a couple of weeks ago. This article is in just one area. "It's a sign of the times: for students in Indiana, learning cursive is a thing of the past. The Department of Education sent a memo saying cursive handwriting will no longer be included in state standards. Instead students are expected to become proficient in keyboarding. Do you think cursive handwriting should still be taught in school?" There were allot of comments made on the subject. My cousin stated handwriting is an art, and it surely use to be. To me it is a sign of the time that we are becoming a world of lazy slackers.
I wrote to my cousin how I feel."This issue is TOTAL BULLSHIT!!! I was born and educated in Florida, all except for one year we lived in Ohio. I entered 3rd grade in Arlington, OH. The class was writing in cursive, something I had not learned. I taught myself, within a few days. In High School, I took typing as an elective. I made a D, and it brought my GPA down. I took a computer course in College, and never used it until my work in insurance. I was the absolute worst typist in the whole world. It took me YEARS to become proficient. Bottom line, is it that big of deal to continue to teach both? And, did you know your great Grandfather only had a 6th grade education? And, he wrote beautifully!!!!!! "
my dad only went to the 6th grade & hes a whiz in math, give him a list of numbers & he can add em together in his head
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| July 9, 2011, 01:09 |
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Iwant2kssuallovr
62 / female
Bendover, Florida, US
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Re: Cursive
If we are never taught and we never try, we are all a bunch of slackers. Many talents are no longer taught and are obsolete. Life is not all about electronics. We are missing out on quality and craftsmanship. There is an old term used for the T.V. set, "the boob tube". We are gonna have a bunch of mindless uneducated, unimaginative, droids in our society.
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| July 9, 2011, 01:58 |
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newbie1011
62 / female
The Shore, New Jersey, US
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It really depends on what you do for a living as to if you will need to hand write something. I think someone was playing a cruel joke on me. I was given the gift of what some feel is an extraordinarily nice handwriting ,however I can't spell or put a sentence together to save my life. There is something so wrong about that.
I think its interesting that Kam thinks that way because his parents, are quite big on a hand written notes. Especially thank you notes.I'm amazed how many adults I come across that say they don't read script. I always want to say "This is not short hand its script!" I just have visions of every one under 40 saying "what's shorthand?"
Besides writing in script is faster.I always thought that a signature had to be in script.
Is it still that way? Is printing your names considered a signature? They always have two lines,one that says "print your name" and the other says "signature". Does this mean we are doing away with signing our names in script form? I did look up the meaning. In no place does it say it must be in a certain form. It is just an identifying mark of a person. It can be an X. Not to be confused with an autograph.
I'm starting to feel old.I like cursive writing. I guess people just wont be able to read my writing. Well I guess there is a silver lining to everything. If they can't read it they wont know how badly I spell and write in general.lol
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| July 9, 2011, 02:20 |
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ashkats
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i seen a poll on this i think on cnn...49% still write lol
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| July 9, 2011, 02:25 |
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Iwant2kssuallovr
62 / female
Bendover, Florida, US
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Okay, my last observation. As I mentioned, I learned cursive on my own. Kids are like sponges, and rather than let them explore their potential, we are going to ask them to dummy down? We've lost music and phys ed in schools. Why have grades or score at all. Why not just have kids show up to school, and anyone who makes it to the end of the school year graduates.
Two questions: 1. Kam how often will you or do you use trig, geometry, or calculus?
2. What about the kids who can't afford to have a computer at home?
I don't think I have used chemistry since graduation, and I don't think I will need to recall Shakespeare any time soon. And, WTF is the point of English, "C u later 2 night, <3."
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| July 9, 2011, 02:41 |
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kamarel
60 / male
Alexandria, Louisiana, US
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QUOTE (Iwant2kssuallovr @ July 9, 2011, 02:41)Okay, my last observation. As I mentioned, I learned cursive on my own. Kids are like sponges, and rather than let them explore their potential, we are going to ask them to dummy down? We've lost music and phys ed in schools. Why have grades or score at all. Why not just have kids show up to school, and anyone who makes it to the end of the school year graduates.
Two questions: 1. Kam how often will you or do you use trig, geometry, or calculus?
2. What about the kids who can't afford to have a computer at home?
I don't think I have used chemistry since graduation, and I don't think I will need to recall Shakespeare any time soon. And, WTF is the point of English, "C u later 2 night, <3."
Unfortunately the writing is on the wall. For good or bad. My parents may very well be the last people on earth who hand write a thank you note. Textspeak will become common (as much as I personally hate it). If you cook you technically use algebra use and chemisty. I need to pickup Newbie from the airport on Thursday. The airlines did most of the math for me by telling us when she will land. I enjoy watching Shakespeare. I can draw the parallels between The Taming of the Shrew, Kiss Me Kate and 10 Things I Hate About you. If people can pay for AAU sports for their kids, why can't they buy a computer, or an instrument, or music lessons, or summer camps or summer school? It's they way life is going. Not that I agree. But it is what it is.
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| July 9, 2011, 03:05 |
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Iwant2kssuallovr
62 / female
Bendover, Florida, US
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QUOTE (kamarel @ July 9, 2011, 03:05) QUOTE (Iwant2kssuallovr @ July 9, 2011, 02:41)Okay, my last observation. As I mentioned, I learned cursive on my own. Kids are like sponges, and rather than let them explore their potential, we are going to ask them to dummy down? We've lost music and phys ed in schools. Why have grades or score at all. Why not just have kids show up to school, and anyone who makes it to the end of the school year graduates.
Two questions: 1. Kam how often will you or do you use trig, geometry, or calculus?
2. What about the kids who can't afford to have a computer at home?
I don't think I have used chemistry since graduation, and I don't think I will need to recall Shakespeare any time soon. And, WTF is the point of English, "C u later 2 night, <3."
Unfortunately the writing is on the wall. For good or bad. My parents may very well be the last people on earth who hand write a thank you note. Textspeak will become common (as much as I personally hate it). If you cook you technically use algebra use and chemisty. I need to pickup Newbie from the airport on Thursday. The airlines did most of the math for me by telling us when she will land. I enjoy watching Shakespeare. I can draw the parallels between The Taming of the Shrew, Kiss Me Kate and 10 Things I Hate About you. If people can pay for AAU sports for their kids, why can't they buy a computer, or an instrument, or music lessons, or summer camps or summer school? It's they way life is going. Not that I agree. But it is what it is.
"technically use algebra use and chemistry", "The airlines did most of the math for me"
Strong arguments. Thank you for your wisdom and insight.
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| July 9, 2011, 14:42 |
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(tilting my head slightly to the left with a slight facial expression of confusion and wondering why Kam ever watched "10 Things I Hate About You" )
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| July 9, 2011, 15:05 |
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kamarel
60 / male
Alexandria, Louisiana, US
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*grins*
I raised a girl?
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| July 9, 2011, 16:45 |
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You're a good daddy!
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| July 9, 2011, 17:36 |
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newbie1011
62 / female
The Shore, New Jersey, US
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He is a great Dad. But he and his daughter watch a lot of strange movies and listen to even stranger music. It is part of their charm and I love them both. But there are times it catches me off guard when one will say a line from one of those movies and the other comes back with the comeback line. It's really very funny to see/hear them do this.
I always try to figure out how they both remember all the lines to all these movies and songs. I have to admit its a bit freaky......lol
By the way Kam...Squirrel!
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| July 9, 2011, 20:43 |
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kamarel
60 / male
Alexandria, Louisiana, US
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QUOTE (newbie1011 @ July 9, 2011, 20:43)He is a great Dad. But he and his daughter watch a lot of strange movies and listen to even stranger music. It is part of their charm and I love them both. But there are times it catches me off guard when one will say a line from one of those movies and the other comes back with the comeback line. It's really very funny to see/hear them do this.
I always try to figure out how they both remember all the lines to all these movies and songs. I have to admit its a bit freaky......lol
By the way Kam...Squirrel!
"Want to hear a joke?
A squirrel, doesn't collect nuts for winter.
Now the squirrel is dead.
It's a funny joke because the squirrel is dead."
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| July 9, 2011, 23:11 |
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newbie1011
62 / female
The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Hahaha!
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| July 9, 2011, 23:12 |
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A squirrels wouldn't die because he didn't collect nuts, he'll forage for alternate food, but if he crosses a road without looking to forage, yeah he could die.
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| July 10, 2011, 00:23 |
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kamarel
60 / male
Alexandria, Louisiana, US
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QUOTE (Chazzy @ July 10, 2011, 00:23)A squirrels wouldn't die because he didn't collect nuts, he'll forage for alternate food, but if he crosses a road without looking to forage, yeah he could die.
sorry Chaz. Its a line for the movie "Up" Doug the talking dog hates squirrels.
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| July 10, 2011, 00:48 |
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I know that, I don't have any children but I love G rated animated movies.
Just in a running off the cuff mood lately....it happens often, passes quickly.
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| July 10, 2011, 01:29 |
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