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Japanese Tsunami
Well, they had a 8.9 quake this am.
They are waiting for the Tsunami waves to hit Hawaii and the west coast. Warnings are out----The waves may get bigger after the first one.
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| March 11, 2011, 13:38 |
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Have been watching the news today on it. The devastation in Japan is awful and I know the warning area has been extended quite wide now.
Thoughts are with everyone
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| March 11, 2011, 13:40 |
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Its pretty sad that it took something as devastating as this to shut up the news media to stop talking about Charlie Sheen and Lindsay Lohan
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| March 11, 2011, 13:44 |
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Its just incredible to see the cars and boats being thrown around like so many toys. Now theyre starting to report about all the casualties. So, so devastating and sad
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| March 11, 2011, 16:10 |
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The footage where you can see the wave striking across the land and people obviously in their cars trying to outrun it made me feel sick to my stomach.
I could see from the air there was nowhere to go and sadly life just isn't like the movies where everyone lives.
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| March 11, 2011, 19:17 |
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the footage from there is sad and amazing all at once.
Seeing the cars truck ships houses and otehr buildings being tossed around like they were toys.
NOAA has a lot of info about this. Mostly grafts, charts and models but interesting no less.
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| March 11, 2011, 21:51 |
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kamarel
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There are times I hate to admit this publicly, but I love huge natural disasters. Watching a disaster(destruction) unfold on that kind of scale fascinates me like nothing else. People take it wrong. I feel sorry for the people that have to survive it. But I can disconnect and watch in awe.
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| March 11, 2011, 22:53 |
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I understand what you are both saying, The actual event itself is an awesome display of power by nature. Volcano's, eartquakes, storms, waves can shock, amaze and scare us, but we still sit glued to it
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| March 11, 2011, 23:04 |
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I find it amazing how calm everyone there has been. No looting, no set fires, no blaming the government. Amazing how people in different places act.
I thought I heard much of this land was "reclaimed". Perhaps now they'll leave it in the ocean?
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| March 12, 2011, 00:20 |
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QUOTE (OOMG @ March 12, 2011, 00:20)I find it amazing how calm everyone there has been. No looting, no set fires, no blaming the government. Amazing how people in different places act.
I thought I heard much of this land was "reclaimed". Perhaps now they'll leave it in the ocean?
Heard on TV that the quake was so destructive that the Isle of Japan actually moved over 8 feet to the east. They're now 8 feet further from China than they were... 
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| March 12, 2011, 03:16 |
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kamarel
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QUOTE (GentleGiant388 @ March 12, 2011, 03:16)
Heard on TV that the quake was so destructive that the Isle of Japan actually moved over 8 feet to the east. They're now 8 feet further from China than they were...
Thats the type of information I find very cool to know. Not sure where I'll use it. But cool none the less.
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| March 12, 2011, 04:36 |
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The aftermath pictures today though are just awful. Now they can assess the damage and it is so wide ranging, this is where the reality sets in.
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| March 12, 2011, 10:01 |
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QUOTE (GentleGiant388 @ March 12, 2011, 03:16) QUOTE (OOMG @ March 12, 2011, 00:20)I find it amazing how calm everyone there has been. No looting, no set fires, no blaming the government. Amazing how people in different places act.
I thought I heard much of this land was "reclaimed". Perhaps now they'll leave it in the ocean?
Heard on TV that the quake was so destructive that the Isle of Japan actually moved over 8 feet to the east. They're now 8 feet further from China than they were...
I bet they don't feel safer.
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| March 12, 2011, 12:59 |
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There was an explosion at one of the nuclear reactors. I hope all 5 can be managed without incident.
That's plain scarry------------
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| March 12, 2011, 13:01 |
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kamarel
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QUOTE (OOMG @ March 12, 2011, 13:01)There was an explosion at one of the nuclear reactors. I hope all 5 can be managed without incident.
That's plain scarry------------
Looking like only the outer building was damaged, not the reactor. Hopefully they can get that under control fast.
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| March 12, 2011, 14:15 |
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I often say ouloud, "I love this planet" but yes, I love it and it scares the crap outta me too.
I understand what some of you are saying, I live with tornados, I hear others say they'd love to see one.
You would think pure terror would kick in the flight response, but there's a few seconds of frozen staring.
Hubs is sleeping now, but he was glued to the TV all night.
It's one of our big differences, I limit my exposure to these things.
Bless the Red Cross and all others who rush in during disasters.
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| March 12, 2011, 15:03 |
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I heard this am and last night that in Japan they have an excellent warning system for earthquakes. Maybe tsunamis too.
Those who wish they could see a tornado wouldn't be sayin that if they had been within 1 mile of one.
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| March 12, 2011, 17:29 |
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Yep, I hate 'naders....just hate them.
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| March 12, 2011, 18:03 |
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That include Ralph? 
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| March 12, 2011, 19:24 |
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Awww, got nothin' against Ralph, but I do really hate them 'naders....
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| March 12, 2011, 20:18 |
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QUOTE (Chazzy @ March 12, 2011, 20:18)Awww, got nothin' against Ralph, but I do really hate them 'naders....
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| March 12, 2011, 22:23 |
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I'll just be very happy if they can contain the nuclear plants. Thats a very scarry thing.
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| March 12, 2011, 22:24 |
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You ain't akiddin' there....hubs is a newswhore, poor thing, got sucked in with the "breaking news" last night and didn't sleep much at all....as soon as my eyes opened this morning he hit me with the nuclear plant explosion.
I haven't checked the news since this morning, I can only take so much.
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| March 12, 2011, 22:26 |
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I usually ignore the news
However, with the potential of a nuclear release with world wide implications, it's a bit different. Remember, they have 5 reactors without cooling since the tsunami.
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| March 12, 2011, 22:33 |
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I am looking at this from an interesting perspective. Maybe one that most have never seen and hopeful wont ever see. I have family, friends and even myself that have lived through (And video taped) hurricanes, 911 attacks, tornadoes,and earthquakes. I have several friends that live in Cozumel and were lucky to live through the Hurricane that hit them. I have friends I grew up with now living in Hawaii and have lived through volcano eruptions as well as this latest Earthquake and Tsunami. I lost several friends in 911. I also happen to live with in a few miles of a Nuclear power plant.I remember watching the disaster in New Orleans with disbelief and disgust at all that wasn't done to help those people.
I too am amazed at the awesome power of mother nature.And the gentleness of her as well. You have to respect it if nothing else.The human made disasters tend to piss me off more because so many are due to greed and selfishness.
It's so easy for us to say don't rebuild there. I have said it myself. But then remember that Manhattan is built over a major fault line. Most if not all of New Orleans is underwater without the damns and levies. Some places are prone to fire, some to floods, some to tornadoes , others to hurricanes, etc... I think we would run out of places to live if we all say don't build there. As I said I live less than 5 miles from a Nuclear power plant.
Japan has built their new building with the best technology and guidelines they could come up with to guard against earthquakes especially after their last big one in 1995. However this was beyond anything that hit there before from what I heard.Although they say they do have the safest guidelines of anywhere and the best warning system of anywhere. When they built the Twin towers it was built to sustain a plane crash but it was not built to sustain a plane that wasn't built at the time of the design of the buildings. Where there are frequent tornadoes they have many systems in place to warm people,yet most people say they ignore the sirens because they would spend all their time running to shelters for nothing.It would be great to have an easy fix but there is none. All we can do is try to learn from our mistake and do what we can to improve where we went wrong.
I just hope that the people of Japan, Hawaii and all the other places going through these and other disasters get the help they need. In case you missed it Oklahoma is having bad fire issues right now. As for Japan Earthquake, Tsunami,and now Nuclear disaster and they are not done yet. Hawaii and parts of California are also being hit with Earthquakes and Tsunamis as well in case you missed it on the news this afternoon. It's so sad.
By the way I don't mean we should build 2 feet from the ocean on the beach then scream at the government to rebuild our house if it washes away because you wanted to live at the beach and have a pretty view. There should be some limits!
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| March 12, 2011, 22:34 |
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Hubs is sleeping, as soon as he wakes, it'll be news all night, I'll catch up then.
Has Iodine sales rocketed up yet?
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| March 12, 2011, 22:34 |
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Sorry just wanted to explain the iodine tablets for those who don't understand. When you live by a Nuclear power plant (in this country) you are given things from the plant and local government explaining what to do if there is a LEAK (if there is a total melt down you just die.) You also sign a release form if your child is in a school within the 10 mile radius as well so they can get the iodine pill in case of an emergency.
It basically says you are to take an Iodine pill (If you are not allergic)to keep the radiation from absorbing into your thyroid at such a fast rate. It doesn't stop it. It slows it down. I heard a CNN reporter say it is an antidote for radiation poisoning. NO IT IS NOT. The schools have enough on hand for all the staff and students. As residents we can get them free of charge from the DEP.They also supply you with an evacuation plan and explain the drills they hold periodically and what the different sirens mean assuming you might lose power.
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| March 12, 2011, 22:45 |
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The Shore, New Jersey, US
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I wouldn't be shocked if people ask their doctors to write script but to be honest not sure if you can. I know it is supplied to us and I don't know of any other purpose for them. I just hope people don't think they should just drink a bottle of iodine. Not even sure if they still sell iodine. Haven't used it since I was a kid. I just remember it stained your skin and anything it got on.
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| March 12, 2011, 22:54 |
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been watching it on the news too they had a good after shock at the plant and some walll did get blown out , they claim the radiation is low ....we hope so  
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| March 13, 2011, 02:11 |
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perveman
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Imagine that, the perve get's serious. Do not take my word for it, do your own research. The reason for the weather change (have the winter's been a little hasher in recent year's?), and the huge increase in the number of earthquakes (check with Arkansas), and other disasters. Scientific, unrefutble, proven fact, and common knowledge of any thinking person, that eons ago, the earth was knocked off it's axis (tilted). Again, fact, it's correcting itself, causing polor shift, and the earth plates are moving, and changing the weather pattern's. Simple answer, check it out yourself. I'm done now. 
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| March 13, 2011, 03:57 |
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QUOTE (perveman @ March 13, 2011, 03:57)Imagine that, the perve get's serious. Do not take my word for it, do your own research. The reason for the weather change (have the winter's been a little hasher in recent year's?), and the huge increase in the number of earthquakes (check with Arkansas), and other disasters. Scientific, unrefutble, proven fact, and common knowledge of any thinking person, that eons ago, the earth was knocked off it's axis (tilted). Again, fact, it's correcting itself, causing polor shift, and the earth plates are moving, and changing the weather pattern's. Simple answer, check it out yourself. I'm done now.
We need superman to fix this?---lol I'll have to look that up
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| March 13, 2011, 04:11 |
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newbie1011
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The Shore, New Jersey, US
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The reports regarding the radiation levels have been conflicting. The are saying that the Japanese government is not exactly coming forward with information. I do understand they don't want to panic people in an already volatile situation but this is something that needs to be very upfront so people and government officials can act accordingly.I really don't give a damn if the media likes it or not I am more concerned with what they are doing to minimize the damage.
If you think its bad there just imagine if it happens here. They are suposed to be much better prepared than us.Living so close to a plant and knowing the area I know some of the issues. For instance the evacuation plan is basically useless.Have you ever been to the shore in the summer? The roads are at a stand still. We just don't have the infrastructure to handle the growth we have had to evacuate all the people.All the drills prove we would be lucky to get a small portion of people out of here in the best case scenario.If we first had to go to the pick up site to get our kids if it were a school day it would be even worse.Not to mention do you really think the bus drivers and staff wouldn't leave to save there own families first? Lets get real.Did we learn nothing from New Orleans? Japan has a long way to go and I think 2 melt downs are potentially in progress and several more could follow, the longer they are off line. They haven't even stopped having after shocks that make most earthquakes look like nothing more than training session for the real thing.Unfortunately this is going to get worse before it gets better.I can't even imagine what those people are going through in their heads. I can just image walking around helpless not knowing where to go or how to get there.
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| March 13, 2011, 07:30 |
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I think Japan is better prepared for earthquakes. I'm not sure how well prepared anyone can be for a tsunami.
I'm pretty sure they are better prepared than the US is for a nuclear problem. I think they're probably pretty sensitive about that. 
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| March 13, 2011, 13:21 |
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QUOTE (OOMG @ March 13, 2011, 04:11) QUOTE (perveman @ March 13, 2011, 03:57)Imagine that, the perve get's serious. Do not take my word for it, do your own research. The reason for the weather change (have the winter's been a little hasher in recent year's?), and the huge increase in the number of earthquakes (check with Arkansas), and other disasters. Scientific, unrefutble, proven fact, and common knowledge of any thinking person, that eons ago, the earth was knocked off it's axis (tilted). Again, fact, it's correcting itself, causing polor shift, and the earth plates are moving, and changing the weather pattern's. Simple answer, check it out yourself. I'm done now.
We need superman to fix this?---lol I'll have to look that up
It was reported, that the earth was knccked a tiny bit of it's axis after the Chile earthquake....so yeah, could happen.
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| March 13, 2011, 14:31 |
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perveman
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Not to try to sound like a smart-ass, but in a frozen dinasour, was found, in the mountains of Siberia, with a green leaf in it's mouth. ? Pre-human history. How far is the earth moving every year, back to it's original position? Think Al Gore could be "in error"? Where is he anyway lately? Research it. Google it, whatever. Not denying the Japan thing is bad, and my heart goe's out to them all, but some thing's are out of man's control. Will stop now, before feather's are russeled. Not at all my intention.
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| March 13, 2011, 15:12 |
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These are from part of a article on yahoo.
* Geophysicist Richard Gross of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California, has estimated that the Japanese earthquake shortened the Earth's day by 1.8 microseconds. Gross also said that the axis of the Earth probably shifted about 6.5 inches, which affects how it rotates, but not its position or movement in space.
* The Japanese Meteorological Agency has actually upgraded the earthquake to a magnitude of 9.0, although other global agencies have yet to follow suit. The U.S. Geological Survey's Susan Hough maintained that great quakes are harder to measure and that a difference of .1 magnitude in initial strength estimates is not unusual.
* The U.S. Geological Survey initially estimated that Japan as a whole has physically moved by approximately 8 feet, but other scientists around the globe have estimated that some parts of the country may actually have moved as much as 12 feet closer to North America. In addition, parts of the country's terrain are not permanently under sea level, which will make it difficult for the flooding caused by the tsunami to drain.
* The tsunami that followed the earthquake was caused when the Pacific Plate shifted, actually moving under Japan at the Japan Trench. This caused additional tremors and the devastating wave that crashed into the nation's east coast.
* The loss of 1.8 microseconds as a result of the shift in the Earth's axis is unlikely to cause more than minute changes, but among those changes will actually be differences in the passing of the seasons. This will only be observable using satellite navigation systems with very precise monitoring equipment.
* The shift of the Earth's axis and loss of time is similar to that experienced after the Chilean earthquake last year, which sped up the Earth's rotation and resulted in the loss of 1.26 microseconds.
Pretty amazing-----------
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| March 13, 2011, 22:48 |
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Some good readin' there, OOMG
I read the same thing last year about the Chile earthquake,
Historical and scary changes.
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| March 13, 2011, 22:52 |
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That's true. I'm confused though. Are these changes making it go back to where it use to be like perv said? Or are they making different than what it's always been?
think I said that right. 
They've been pumping sea water into those damaged reactors to cool them. Seems to be working except for one.
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| March 13, 2011, 22:59 |
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QUOTE (OOMG @ March 13, 2011, 22:59)...They've been pumping sea water into those damaged reactors to cool them. Seems to be working except for one....
It only takes one....to really fuck things up.
I dunno, some more indepth googling there, the history of the earth's axis, or timeline of the earth's tilt....I just watched a science channel show about the making of earth, but it was two hours long and I caught it late at night....what I'm saying is...good show, but I dozed off a few time.
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| March 13, 2011, 23:06 |
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"timeline of the earth's tilt" got some good results...
Grabbed and copied this from one result link.
Earth's axial tilt or obliquity varies from 24.5 degrees to 22.1 degrees over the course of a 41,000-year cycle. The current angle is 23.4 degrees. Changes in axial tilt affect the distribution of solar radiation received at the earth's surface. When the angle of tilt is low, polar regions receive less insolation. When the tilt is greater, the polar regions receive more insolation during the course of a year. Like precession and eccentricity, changes in tilt thus influence the relative strength of the seasons, but the effects of the tilt cycle are particularly pronounced in the high latitudes where the great ice ages began.
There is ongoing debate within the paleoclimate community as to whether these forces and their impact on insolation are sufficient to explain Ice Age dynamics.
Geez, the General Discussion forums has turned into the WN Classroom and lecture hall today....that's fine, I like it!
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| March 13, 2011, 23:10 |
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That reactor thing scares me
. Japan has 55 total and 5 are damaged. I have a feeling that they aren't being exactly honest about whats really happenin with those.
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| March 13, 2011, 23:10 |
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Honestly? For the first time in my life....I'm hestitant and afraid to watch the news.
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| March 13, 2011, 23:12 |
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the one town looks like it might of sunk some the way it under water yet and the got some major problems with that reactor there msn had a lot of photos on it there. they were saying the worst nuke mess in 25 years or so
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| March 14, 2011, 03:17 |
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newbie1011
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The last I heard was the ocean water wasn't working very well but basically all they have. They are running out of options. Someone said liquid nitrogen would help. But the guys answer was basically "and how would you purpose they get it there and do you have any idea how much you would need?" IF that would even work the logistics are just not concussive to that as a solution.
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| March 14, 2011, 03:36 |
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They've evacuated over 180,000 people.
They also had another blast at the one with most problems.
It's also reported Japan is going to get another tsunami wave in the next few days.
Just keeps gettin' worse.
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| March 14, 2011, 03:47 |
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newbie1011
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The Shore, New Jersey, US
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They have the best building codes anywhere and are quit advanced in many ways but you can only take so much. The have had several earthquakes,a tsunami and a potential series of nuclear melt downs. NO PLACE can take all that.. All things considered the death toll is relatively low.
The people that stayed to work at the plants to try to cool them are volunteers and probably wont survive if they melt down. I don't think if I could do what they are doing. They are true living saints trying to save so many people.
This could have been so much worse if this was Tokyo.
Don't forget this is also effecting Hawaii and California.
Speaking of Hawaii has anyone seem ToolOMG since they got hit?
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| March 14, 2011, 04:09 |
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Bendover, Florida, US
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ToolOMG is doing fine.
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| March 14, 2011, 04:42 |
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newbie1011
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The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Well that's good to know. So I know all the people I know there have officially been checked in now.He was the last one.
Can someone please talk to mother nature now and apologize for whatever they did to piss her off. This is just getting ridiculous!
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| March 14, 2011, 05:47 |
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I finally, after much hesitation, turned on the news this morning, I gotta say, I've never felt these feelings before.
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| March 14, 2011, 15:25 |
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QUOTE (Chazzy @ March 14, 2011, 15:25)I finally, after much hesitation, turned on the news this morning, I gotta say, I've never felt these feelings before.
I know what ya mean.
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