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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
well, my musical tastes were influenced by growing up with 5 older sisters, they led me to appreciate bands/artists like David Cassidy, and the Osmonds, and even th Bay City rollers, and then there were my 2 brothers, Led Zepplin, Black Sabbath, Kiss...and of course my parents who listened to Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson and other CLASSIC country artists...funny how yesterdays Rock n' Roll, slowly turns into todays classic country...
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| February 12, 2011, 03:57 |
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newbie1011
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The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
I will say there is some cross over between rock and country these days but I definitely don't think classic rock is today's country.
I love that you picked the seemingly wimpy music and blamed your sisters for that and the "Cool" bands were due to your brothers when it came too forming your taste in music. Typical man LOL
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| February 12, 2011, 08:57 |
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Grandelf
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Northern, Michigan, US
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
I will keep this as short as I can, but music reached a techno point where it at least to me "peaked"..due to the digital age...and in many cases there's good in that. But the peak to me was when Styx, Journey, Queen..all have such incredible harmonies in a vocal range almost unbelieveable, with music to match, where to next?( I by the way LOVE every band mentioned, so not to be misunderstood )My answer or I'll say ONE of many examples ~ Tom Petty. He, years ago spoke of this peak, and said it best "I feel it's time to grab a guitar, plug the damn thing straight into an amp with a cord, and play music again, enough of this high tech bullshit as it's stealing the heart, and soul music can contain. And I believe I was alone in my living room when he said that, suddenly realizing I am standing and applauding, doing the "one man wave".
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| February 13, 2011, 18:31 |
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newbie1011
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The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
I didn't see the Grammy's so not sure what the hell was going on but I had a friend there and from what I gather, they said talent is out and marketing is in, was the general message. LMAO I was thinking that he must have been in on some of our conversations about it on here.
Are we really getting to the point where things are that bad that so many people feel that way? Obviously the awards shows are not what people think they are. Unless you think they are a big fashion show, or in the case of the MTV awards and Grammy's a freak show.
I don't know how many people know how they work but maybe if you ever saw David Bowie talk about it you would understand.He has been offered many music and achievement awards through the years but has only actually received a very few. I think one if I'm not mistaken. The reason is when they offer him the award he says "OK send it to me". They normally go nuts and say "Aren't you going to come get it?" When he says no they don't give him the award. His take on it is,"If I achieved it or won it It should have no bearing on the award if I go there and make an appearance or perform." That fact that they revoke the award speaks volumes as to the sincerity of the powers at be when they announce the "winners".
The Oscars and Toni's are no better but that's another thread. Lets just say getting nominated isn't what you think.
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| February 14, 2011, 09:58 |
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Grandelf
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Northern, Michigan, US
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
I must say I despise the music awards, for they reveal just how much the music industry is about money, and not talent. I used to watch them, and could tell you who was going to win each award, and be correct about 95% of the time. I had who I thought should win in mind, but I usually knew who would actually win. It's that commercially predictable. The industry is like a machine, A certain type of voice or look appears...has a huge hit. Suddenly every new artist that pops up is sounding and often looking the same. Whether it be pop, country, rock..it's all the same. Cloning...and look at T.V. and the so called reality shows. When survivor became a hit, the number of reality shows almost ruled television..Good lord, survivor, big brother, the bachelor, the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker...and yada yada yada. I haven't turned a T.V. on unless it was a dvd in literally a year...I haven't been watching T.V. for the most part for the past 5 or more years. You see there's these things called guitars....well, nuff said!
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| February 17, 2011, 09:21 |
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newbie1011
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The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
I have started calling many of these new made up musicians "Johnny Bravo". Most of you probably remember the old Brady Bunch story when they sign Greg Brady to a music contract. Not because they thought he was talented. It was because he "fit the suit" they had in the closet. They were going to teach him how to act, dress, walk, go to the bathroom.....
The reason for all the reality TV shows is multi layered. 1. To many brainless people watch them and don't demand quality programing any more. 2.They are ridiculously cheep to produce because the have no "talent" costs for the most part. They also have minimal writing and set builds etc...
Those are the 2 main reasons.
There are some Networks that are changing this. HBO and Showtime are big on producing quality programing. The basic broadcast stations have still not jumped back on that yet but as people are getting tired of the reality show genre they will have to. Even actors are starting fight back a bit. One actor turned down a part that was a great part in a great show on broadcast because he said "The network just didn't want to pay what I was worth" . He said they don't want to pay any actors anymore. The networks have to realize that talent has to be paid for. The big names make them more money but they don't want to pay for it.
ALL media is changing. Music has always evolved Some say for the better some say for the worse. I think it's just different. As in all the arts you will have people who love it and hate it. I don't believe music or any other art is DEAD. as some believe. Books might not be printed anymore but it doesn't mean people wont write. It's just that we now read them on our Kindles or computers etc. Music is now listened to differently and produced differently. There are still talented people out there. They will shine bright at some point when the others shine will wear off.
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| February 17, 2011, 11:58 |
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perveman
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Tucson, Arizona, US
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
Michael Bolton. Out of control great. He is a god.
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| February 17, 2011, 13:10 |
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
Awwwww pooo.....sometimes, being able to take a person of lesser talent and making them into a multi million dollar marketing campaign...is pure talent.
Some musicians are artists, some are entertainers....there's a difference there when ya think about it.
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| February 17, 2011, 15:01 |
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NRG4U
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Beaver City, Nebraska, US
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
when I play the banjo. Music isnt a very accurate description of whatever that noise is that i make with a banjo...lol
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| February 17, 2011, 15:10 |
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Re: Re: When is a musician not a musician?
QUOTE (NRG4U @ February 17, 2011, 15:10)when I play the banjo. Music isnt a very accurate description of whatever that noise is that i make with a banjo...lol
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| February 17, 2011, 15:32 |
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
Well NRG, that still qualifies you for the "entertainer" category.
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| February 17, 2011, 15:49 |
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NRG4U
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
Thats probably only if i'm the guy at the county fair that everyone pays $1.00 to throw pies at...lol
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| February 17, 2011, 15:59 |
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
Hey Grandelf, did ya ever buy that PRS?
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| February 17, 2011, 16:54 |
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
Just to stir the pot a little more before I run away again.
How about comparing the labels thread to this thread..... and I ask, why do we need to define what a musician is anyway? Surely as in other areas anyone can be anything to anyone else?
I find it interesting that in one area we have established that we label others much easier than ourselves and that in some cases it is the intent that is hurtful. I would suggest that we care about this kind of thing because in part of our own snobbery of what makes a musician or an actor or a or a or a.....and so on.
I am once again running for the hills, but before I go...still don't like The Beatles xx
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| February 17, 2011, 17:18 |
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Re: Re: When is a musician not a musician?
QUOTE (Josie34 @ February 17, 2011, 17:18)Just to stir the pot a little more before I run away again.
How about comparing the labels thread to this thread..... and I ask, why do we need to define what a musician is anyway? Surely as in other areas anyone can be anything to anyone else?
I find it interesting that in one area we have established that we label others much easier than ourselves and that in some cases it is the intent that is hurtful. I would suggest that we care about this kind of thing because in part of our own snobbery of what makes a musician or an actor or a or a or a.....and so on.
I am once again running for the hills, but before I go...still don't like The Beatles xx
Chicken!
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| February 17, 2011, 17:23 |
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
I love Josie's post...especially about our snobbery when it comes to art.
I hear jokes all the time about nickleback and creed, but I don't really care, I sing along with 'em, I hear how much some hate rap, think it's not even a legimate form of music, but I've come to appreciate it although not my favorite genre of music.
Art belongs to the artist, it should not be lead by our diverse tastes and likes, it should be created as an external expression of something personal and internal.
I absolutely love "folk art"...I appreciate the classics of course, mostly impressionism like Van Gogh, Monet, but I love seeing a wood carving, or a painting done with house paint on a fence board created by someone who has no formal training and is not influenced by any rules.
I don't think it's possible for any one to go through life (or even a day, or an hour,...) with out labeling.
It's why humans developed the ability for speech and vocal cords, and the brain capacity for language. We need to put a word to everything.
Even saying "That's a label" is labeling. You just labeled someone's thought impression as a label.
It's out of our control, I think. Our brains are designed to process, define, label, categorize in order to file away the information.
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| February 17, 2011, 17:55 |
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
Just as an aside I have seen Nickelback live in London 3 times now, with the other hard rock/metal loving members of my family and can honestly say they were some of the best gigs we have been too and remember I probably go to something like 40 gigs a year from solo shows in basements to massive arenas.
Such great performers, the show they put on was well worth the ticket price and I sang, danced and laughed all the way through the show.
People can say whatever they like as I have said, but if you like it that's all that matters x
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| February 17, 2011, 22:31 |
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newbie1011
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Re: When is a musician not a musician?
You seem to all come to one point that everyone agrees on.
Not everyone will like everything no matter how good or bad an "artist"is supposed to be. As I stated earlier not every one likes Picasso, but that doesn't make him less of a talented artist. I think we all realize the as long as someone enjoys it that's great, even of it's only the person playing it.
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| February 18, 2011, 03:45 |
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