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newbie1011
62 / female
The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Are facts really what you think?
Have you ever looked up the meaning of the word fact?
Did you know that it means different things depending on what you're talking about?? Scientific fact vs Historical fact for instance. What do you believe the word means? You might be very surprised that most people are totally wrong in there belief of the meaning and use of this seemingly common and simple word.
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| January 31, 2011, 01:55 |
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
QUOTE (newbie1011 @ January 31, 2011, 01:55)Have you ever looked up the meaning of the word fact?
Did you know that it means different things depending on what you're talking about?? Scientific fact vs Historical fact for instance. What do you believe the word means? You might be very surprised that most people are totally wrong in there belief of the meaning and use of this seemingly common and simple word.
Is that a Fact? 
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| January 31, 2011, 02:31 |
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
just the facts, ma'am....
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| January 31, 2011, 02:39 |
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newbie1011
62 / female
The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
LMAO!
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| January 31, 2011, 02:39 |
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perveman
111 / male
Tucson, Arizona, US
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
I'm about to let my ignorance show, but to me, it would be something, or anything, undeniable and proven. Not just a belief, for example: A person believes a cat, is a horse. Can call the cat a horse all day long, and it's still a cat. Not a fact. Just saying. I'll google it, so that I are ejemukkated 2. 
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| January 31, 2011, 02:39 |
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
are you telling the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? (of Allah, or Buddha, or who ever helps you?)
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| January 31, 2011, 02:42 |
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perveman
111 / male
Tucson, Arizona, US
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
Must be a stange world. Just arrived from my trip from google. Ok, used the cat example, and I live in Tucson. The real meaning of "fact" is, Friends of Alley Cats of Tucson. No shit. See for yourselves.  Uh...ok... ....g...o...o.... That settles that. Next! (now I are intellegent) 
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| January 31, 2011, 02:58 |
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Grandelf
64 / male
Northern, Michigan, US
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
Well I do know that the two vary greatly, many scientific facts have proven historical ones to be non true. But...many many scientific "facts" have been proven false as well....So, a fact to me is a belief, it may have a lot of merit or reasons why it is thought of as fact..What is factual to one can be totally the opposite to another. There is THE Bible, yet theres how many different churches? Each one has taken the same book and it his how they interpret the same words. Western medicine scoffed at eastern ways, yet through the years was forced to admit there is something to their very different methods..acupuncture being the biggest in my mind, and kineseology, and on and on. So fact is opinion in the end as far as I'm concerned, it is still about perception. "Ahem, aaaaaaamennnnn."....Thank you! Thank you very much! lol....Oh one fact...woman are beautiful, okay now I am done.
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| January 31, 2011, 07:55 |
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perveman
111 / male
Tucson, Arizona, US
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
Ok grandelf, I'll take on beautiful women . Hey, you opened it up, I'm just inserting the "facts". First, there are those of certain "orientations" who may not agree. Now beauty is "in the eye of the beholder". We need to admit, some women, and men, aside from inner beauty, are not attractive. Oh yes, I've actually seen them. Others, viewing the same people, could see them as very good looking. In this vane, you are totally correct, fact is only opinion, belief, and perception.
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| January 31, 2011, 10:51 |
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
I'll stick with the Merriam Webster definition.
Facts can be used to develop an opinion, create a statement, fit into a beleif, but facts are still facts.
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| January 31, 2011, 11:21 |
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perveman
111 / male
Tucson, Arizona, US
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
Let's try this one. Are wind, gravity, emotions, maybe even time, facts? Not sure myself if any of these have been scientifically proven. You can feel some and see the results of what some do, or have done, but I've never never even seen a picture of any of them. Has anyone? Then post it. Are these facts, opinions, or beliefs? Take emotions. You can feel them, see the results or actions, but can anyone hold an emotion in thier hand, and show one to me? Oh shit, now it comes down to gravity, which I don't believe in. The fact is, everything on earth, is held down by some form of super glue. And I can at least see super glue, put it in my hand (don't clap), now show me a handful of gravity. And these are my factual opinions, so ha ha   . Ok then, if there are'nt undeniable facts, doe's the planet Earth exist, or is it a theory/opinion. I have to say yes, or else I'd look pretty silly with this super glue in my hand now would'nt I?
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| January 31, 2011, 11:23 |
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perveman
111 / male
Tucson, Arizona, US
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
I like Chazzy interjecting the dictionary definition. Again, the existance of planet Earth. Not an opinion, personal belief, or one's perception, but a concete fact, as are many other things. Take myself (plz take me, I'm so lonely), others, perceive, and believe thier opinion, that I'm an ass-hole. This could be correct, and would be a fact. Btw, good idea that someone invented the ass-hole, could tend to get a bit uncomfortable after 70, 80 year's or so. GEE, YA THINK? 
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| January 31, 2011, 13:32 |
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newbie1011
62 / female
The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
I knew this would get interesting. You are all right. There are different types of "Facts". Scientific facts for instance don't mean what most people think they mean. The question is: When does theory become fact? And/or are they the same thing? Scientific facts for example are conclusions that came about after using the scientific method to get to that conclusion. That does not necessarily make it "absolute fact". Because if a different person did the same experiment they could come up with a different conclusion because of unknown variables. Most of us can probably come up with something that Scientist had claimed for years were a "Scientific fact" only to have it changed years later because of a new technology that science had come up with to prove things. For example DNA testing has changed many thing and many conclusions thought to be fact.
"Historical facts" are even less reliable. Remembering that "historical facts" are mostly observations and someone had to record it. One way to explain this would be something that most kids had done as an experiment in school. If you had 30 people in a room then you have someone run in the room and do something unexpected like rob the teacher at gun point. Then the guy runs out. Now ask every person in the room to describe what just happen and describe everything in detail to what the guy said and what he wore , what hand did he hold the gun in etc.... You would be amazed how many different answers you would get. History is the same thing. Observations made by people that could be wrong and in many cases have been proven to be wrong. There was a quote that said "History was written by the winners" I bet if the winners wrote their version and the losers wrote theirs they would be very different.
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| January 31, 2011, 15:50 |
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
I don't think I would ever consider historical observations, or eye witness accounts as facts.
Sometimes confusion may stem from, like allot of words, the practice of using them in a more slang, relaxed, less formal form. Someone saying "...and that's a fact!" is just an expression used when a person is adamant about being right, correct. It surely isn't really a fact.
DNA for example, doesn't change who committed the crime, it can be a tool in the conviction or aquittal of one.
Of course there are going to unknown variables.
"If a Butterfly flaps it's wings..."
I love chaos, I love the science of chaos... especially, my fav...Mandlebrot and fractal geometry...dam, now that's cool chaos stuff. Benoir did some excellent work there.
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| January 31, 2011, 23:33 |
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Re: Re: Are facts really what you think?
QUOTE (perveman @ January 31, 2011, 02:39)I'm about to let my ignorance show, but to me, it would be something, or anything, undeniable and proven. Not just a belief, for example: A person believes a cat, is a horse. Can call the cat a horse all day long, and it's still a cat. Not a fact. Just saying. I'll google it, so that I are ejemukkated 2.
If it's a female horse, doesn't that make it a pussy?
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| February 1, 2011, 02:34 |
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newbie1011
62 / female
The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
Your right again. The meaning of a word alone can take on a different meaning through time because as you stated it might be used as a slang word or even have been misused so often that it becomes a word no longer misused but the meaning has now changed. (I hope that made sense. I know it did in my head. LMAO)
One word can have so many meanings and uses many times people assume they know the meaning without thinking of the possibility of the different uses. If you ask what the meaning of the word "fact" is generally people state that it is something that is "absolute" and/or "proven" when in fact that is not always the proper meaning of the word.
Now that I hurt my brain I will go take an aspirin.
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| February 1, 2011, 02:55 |
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
You mentioned eyewitnesses, I've read all the research over the years about how unreliable an eye witness can be.
It can be a fact that there was an eye witness to an incident, but the witness's account is not factual.
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| February 1, 2011, 12:22 |
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newbie1011
62 / female
The Shore, New Jersey, US
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
Absolutely! lmao
That was a great example of how to use the word fact. Amazing how one word can mess with peoples thoughts so much.
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| February 1, 2011, 13:58 |
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
"Fetish" is another word that has gone casual, people use it to describe their preference, but their preferences are in no way a fetish in the real definition.
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| February 1, 2011, 19:08 |
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thechunkyone
35 / male
elizabeth, New Jersey, US
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
when it comes to me i always use the truth defintion
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| February 2, 2011, 02:20 |
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kamarel
60 / male
Alexandria, Louisiana, US
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
I find the truth has a tendency to vary, also
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| February 2, 2011, 02:37 |
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thechunkyone
35 / male
elizabeth, New Jersey, US
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Re: Are facts really what you think?
if u can handle it, it must not be the truth. lol
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| February 2, 2011, 02:46 |
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