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Rest in peace Adam........
It was announced that the murderer of Adam Walsh (1981) was finally identified as Otis Toole, a piece of shit who abducted Adam from a mall in Florida, murdered him and beheaded him. The sheriff from the town where Adam was abducted, held a press conference on Tuesday and announced the identity of the murderer and declared the case solved and closed. Toole had been in prison since the late 80's for a murder conviction of a woman he killed in 1984.
John Walsh (father), was the star of the show "America's Most Wanted". He began the show as a tribute to Adam in the 80's. That show featured the scummiest wanted fugitives in America. He would feature a few of the most wanted every week and he did do a show about his son's murder and about Otis Toole.
Toole died of natural causes in prison in 1996. He should have died a more violent death! Which brings me to another thought.
I am of the opinion that if it were my son that was murdered and I knew for a fact that Toole was the culprit, I would pay my last cent to have him offed in prison. I would do it and when the deed was done, I would turn myself into authorities with my head held high! What jury would convict me? Would you be able to be an objective juror after hearing all the evidence  ? Be honest now.
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| December 17, 2008, 06:42 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
John Walsh, Mark lunsford,the Hagermans...these are the kind of people I adore and admire the most. They are as "supernatural" as a mortal can get to take the most horrific event in their lives and make a huge difference for thousands and thousands of others.
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| December 17, 2008, 07:26 |
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Re: Re: Rest in peace Adam........
QUOTE (Chazzy @ December 17, 2008, 07:26)John Walsh, Mark lunsford,the Hagermans...these are the kind of people I adore and admire the most. They are as "supernatural" as a mortal can get to take the most horrific event in their lives and make a huge difference for thousands and thousands of others.
The people you mentioned are super human in my eyes. If I was faced with the same horrors, I would be emotionally, a dead man walking!! 
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| December 17, 2008, 07:30 |
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I'm more impressed that the Walsh family opted to help other families who have and are experiencing the violent loss of a child by focusing on changing laws and training. To me that is a legacy befitting that little boys life. Revenge is a short term fix for sure, unfortunately it ruins far more in the long run. Just my opinion.
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| December 17, 2008, 08:43 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
I would kill anyone who did that to either of my boys, and i would hold my head up high and admit to what i had done.
I have no problem saying that, i would protect my boys no matter what it would take.
I agree with you VB, 100% 
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| December 17, 2008, 10:53 |
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I can think of a million tortures I could bestow upon a person that hurts a child in any way or kills a child. The guy at the phone booth with the gun many years ago.... bravo! I would want them to suffer before they die, though.
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| December 17, 2008, 10:59 |
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Re: Re: Rest in peace Adam........
QUOTE (MoonHowler @ December 17, 2008, 10:59)I can think of a million tortures I could bestow upon a person that hurts a child in any way or kills a child. The guy at the phone booth with the gun many years ago.... bravo! I would want them to suffer before they die, though.
 
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| December 17, 2008, 11:47 |
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The road that John Walsh and Mark Lundsford took is a road I cannot see myself traveling for I am a weak man. I do admire those two gentlemen. What they've contributed to the cause of missing and exploited children is immeasurable. To this, I commend them!!
For me, I'll take the low road. I'd see to it that turds like the monsters that killed the Walsh boy and the Lundsford girl, would be f*ckin' eliminated. The savings to those states unlucky enough to have to incarcerate them is considerable and a waste of prison space. I would be the judge, jury and executioner!! 
Any problems with that?
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| December 17, 2008, 12:41 |
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I certainly don't.
I don't think there is any room amongst us for animals like that to live. They should not be allowed to live after what they do to innocent children who are unable to defend themselves. I can not imagine the fear those and many children have to go through at the hands of people like that, and we should allow them to live themselves, "I DON'T THINK SO!!!".
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| December 17, 2008, 14:53 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
Knowing what I know about these pukes, that they were severely mistreated as children and their wiring is f*cked up, I still would put them down.....like a mad dog, I'd put them out of their misery.....again, with my head held high! Vengience is mine!! 
Their problem is they and other wild animals like them have no compassion and that's why they are the way they are!
Slightly  but did you see the archive footage of Toole? Man, that was one f*cked up lookin' piece of sh*t! Enjoy Hell you turd!!
To all the other decent people
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| December 17, 2008, 15:19 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
xoxo...
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| December 18, 2008, 01:38 |
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It's a tough time of year to even feel happy when you hear how other families going through tragedies such as the Walshs. As I said before, Faced with the same reality of one of my loved ones being murdered, after I had the culprit "offed", I would be a dead man walking, never again to smile or be truly happy.
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| December 18, 2008, 08:34 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
Sorry that my posting on this subject obviously was a mistake on my part. It was only my opinion and as a new person seeing the reaction it provoked I certainly will think twice before commenting on anything in the future.
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| December 18, 2008, 09:09 |
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Re: Re: Rest in peace Adam........
QUOTE (lonelygirl4u @ December 18, 2008, 09:09)Sorry that my posting on this subject obviously was a mistake on my part. It was only my opinion and as a new person seeing the reaction it provoked I certainly will think twice before commenting on anything in the future.
Absolutely not! I agree with you, others do too. Don't let this one topic put a damper on your activity here, we need those opposite views.
There have been many similiar topics where I have stated my POV which is more like yours, lonelygirl4U.
I too, would prefer to admire the strength of those who rose above something horrific and made a positve change for so many others. Those who make a real difference.
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| December 18, 2008, 09:23 |
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Re: Re: Rest in peace Adam........
QUOTE (lonelygirl4u @ December 18, 2008, 09:09)Sorry that my posting on this subject obviously was a mistake on my part. It was only my opinion and as a new person seeing the reaction it provoked I certainly will think twice before commenting on anything in the future.
You shouldn't feel you are wrong voicing your opinion, especially on a sad subject of child abduction and murder.
In my heart, I know you are right on about making something positive out of this negative. Raising awareness and doing something is far more beneficial than my simple remedy of revenge and retribution. That's just the way I feel.
Actually.....I'm not sure how or what I would do if I endured what John Walsh did. Possibly, I'd be a part of the exact pro active activity as that. I really want to believe this.........
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| December 18, 2008, 09:28 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
None of us really know what we are capable of...I'm pretty sure I know what I would or could do.
Believe me, when you lose a loved one suddenly, however you lose them, your life changes, and for some of us, we would want to "memorialize" them as much as possible. To ensure when their name is spoken or written, it's connected to something very good.
I've written lonelygirl a note when she joined, I looked forward to her posting here, I would hope she would continue in spite of this thread....anyone else have anything to say to her?
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| December 18, 2008, 09:34 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
All you need to tell her, Chaz, is to go back and read some of mine and VB's discussions in the forums. He hasn't ran me off yet!  
As for taking justice into your own hands, I guess you never really know until it happens to you. I pray to God that I never have to find out. But I do believe I'm VERY capable of it.
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| December 18, 2008, 09:37 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
My reply was not direct at lonelygirl in anyway it was in response to VB's thread. Her opinion is how she feels and that is fine by me, my opinion is how i feel and that is what i stand by as a mother.
And i won't feel guilty in anyway by wanting to protect my children.
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| December 18, 2008, 09:51 |
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You're all absolutely correct. You voice your opinion form the heart. That is the only way to do it. It's the only true opinion that means anything!
I'm sorry if I came off as a downer but dredging up this horrible story about a horrible man doing such a horror to that little boy, brought out the testosterone in me. I should be celebrating John Walsh's heroism and dedication to the missing and exploited children problem istead of voicing ways I'd do away with the scum!!
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| December 18, 2008, 10:04 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
I know as a mother it tears me a part what happens to children and i feel complete anger towards these people, and i don't feel guilty about what i could do to them, as that is my motherly instinct, and i will not apologize for that, and if that makes me a bad person in some peoples eyes then that is their problem.
But i agree with you VB, people like John Walsh are amazing at what they do.
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| December 18, 2008, 10:15 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
I'm just glad that he can now rest in peace. John Walsh know knows the when and why it happened. He is a mart-er for us all.
A very dear friend of mines son went missing a few years back, and was featured on AMW. It turned out that he had made a neighbor mad with a racial slur and that the neighbor murdered him with a screwdriver and threw his body in a nearby pond.
I can still remember to this day talking to his family about taking revenge and telling them to let justice take it's course.
I don't want to think about being put in that situation. Or I'd be writing from behind bars
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| December 18, 2008, 11:03 |
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I'm sure even Adam and Mark, and all the other parents had the same thoughts and opinions as allot of you, until it happened to them and I know I am very grateful to live in a world where people like John, Mark, and the Hagermans rise to the top, and less headlines about vigilante acts of more violence. Violence in any form is very ugly, it may make for interesting movies, books, and legends.
As in the other threads, I've learned that there are many others who also agree with those that have an opinion against violence, but as always, these topics lead to that whole death penalty thing and that is just too deeply personal to each's faith, ethics, moralty to be discussed within the sites rules.
I will always stand by my opinion, and right now as in the past that opinion that it is very wrong for one human to commit murder or violence against another.
Lonelygirl, I would hope to see more of you on these boards with the rest of us,
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
After reading all the replies to this thread and taking in what you have all said.
As a mother of two little girls I, like HBG, would quite happily take anothers life if they hurt my girls,its an inbuilt sense of protection that surfaces, as a lioness would die protecting her cubs.
But, those fathers have transcended their grief and done something postive with their feelings and helped alot of others.
An admirable thing to do but, rare.
As parents and in reality our instinct would be to reek revenge on those that have hurt us, in grief we become a basic human being and all reason would desert us and we would react. Rightly or wrongly but we would have to live with the consequences.
As in all life experiences, you never know how you will react until you are faced with such horrors, may god protect all our children so we do not have to find out how we would react.
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| December 18, 2008, 14:48 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
Yes, nothing could ignite our primal rage like harm to our own children, but...I gotta disagree that people like John Walsh are rare, I'm thankful that this earth has so many parents like the Walshs', Hagermans, Lunsfords, and what is rare is the headlines about vigilante crimes.
I don't have statistics, but I'm sure more memorials, foundations and laws bear the name of the suffered children than police files about their parents taking the task of justice upon themselves.
I think we all (I sure did at one time, and I'm true enough to myself to admit this) thought and talked pretty big and bold, all the kill kill kill KILL and torure stuff, but fortunately for most of us, we really don't know for sure and like cj...I sure hope none of us will ever have to know.
I still believe that murder and violence is wrong, and I'm quite aware of how others think that my beliefs make me a "soft, bleeding heart do-gooder"...that much is so not true, I'm just a person who does not belief in vengence, but better laws and justice, a person that does not belief in vigilante violence but can see where in some cases, why some belief the big "DP" should be considered.
Remember a similiar topic before? My reply was something like "Your favorite color is blue, and mine is green...and you can't tell me I'm wrong because blue is right"
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| December 18, 2008, 15:06 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
to be honest...anyone who does that....should be locked in a room with the family of said victims....and just let nature take its course....personally....even the devil himself would turn his head in disgust at the things i would do to a bastard like that  ...and id take my time at it too....
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| December 18, 2008, 15:16 |
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not long ago in the uk a group joe public got a hold of a suspected pedo n stabbed him to death....
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| December 18, 2008, 15:17 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
I don't think anyone should judge anyone elses beliefs or opinions, no matter how they feel. I have a right to have my opinion the same as anyone else. And i will stand by that and it will never change, despite what anyone else thinks. And i will not be made to feel any less by standing by it. And i think that will be my very last comment, as i can not see how or why this thread has been blown out of all context, as it was just members voicing they opinions towards a horrible situation and nothing else
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| December 18, 2008, 15:18 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
Hey, I'm kinda in the middle here, one side of me, just a person who is a member here that had an opinion to share, another side of me...a moderator who knows very well from past similiar topics, they always go to a bad place because of such passionate but opposite opinions.
The only reason I continued on with a couple more replies, knowing that those of us who are anti-vilgilante are usually hit pretty hard in these threads, being called things like "do-gooders and bleeding hearts, we've learned to state something simply as possible and then turn away from it.
Again, these topics never go to a good place, and I should have left this thread after one reply instead of posting anymore. I do not like to see friends argue, I do not like to see any new people that don't have a history with us (yet) have a bad experience here right off. I just wanted lonelygirl to know that many others do think like her, share some of her opinions and views, we've just learned to steer away from these topics. Which is something I should have done and didn't.
My apoligies.
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| December 18, 2008, 17:32 |
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Re: Rest in peace Adam........
Maybe a lock on this thread might be for the best!!
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