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Your opinion wanted !
How do you feel computers hackers should be dealt with?
When they are caught, and prosecuted, should antivirus software companies reward their previous illegal activities and hire them to help
design the software to thwart other hackers and virus programers
and make good use of their intellect, skills, and knowlegde ?
Or, because of the nature of their act, and the immense damage caused
by thier deliberate and malicious actions, should they be osterisized from the computing industry?
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| February 16, 2005, 08:40 |
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Re: Your opinion wanted !
I always say send the best... just because someone fucked up in the past don't take away the good they have yet to perform.
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| February 16, 2005, 09:08 |
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QUOTE (boredcountryboy @ February 16, 2005, 09:08)I always say send the best... just because someone fucked up in the past don't take away the good they have yet to perform.
BCB is right Chazzy. The software companys need to hire them to fix the crap they are selling us. Think about any other item you spend so much money on - and it doesn't work with out upgrades every 30 days. Oh and after they fix it - shoot um in the back of the head and dump um in the woods 
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| February 16, 2005, 09:20 |
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I would think the fortune 500 companies would pay dearly for a person with such skills. I don't think they should skate 100%, maybe a fine to cover some of the damage caused. That is my humble opinion 
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| February 16, 2005, 09:22 |
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Re: Your opinion wanted !
if you can't do good... make damn sure you're good at what you do.
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| February 16, 2005, 09:44 |
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I ask the question because I'm truly indecisive on this, an I am getting allot out of this discussion . . .
I do believe talent should be appreciated...but allot of the hackers start very young, some not even out of high school. In general, A profile of a hacker is of a person who is a bit of a social misfit. Also, I wonder if it would be sending the wrong message to the impressionable young if they see that crime does pay, and pay very well, with stock options, excellent health and benefit packages, etc..... !
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| February 16, 2005, 10:07 |
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I think they should have to help the software companys as they're community service. Not get hired and make tons of money because they did something bad.
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| February 16, 2005, 10:09 |
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QUOTE (DEye @ February 16, 2005, 09:20) QUOTE (boredcountryboy @ February 16, 2005, 09:08)I always say send the best... just because someone fucked up in the past don't take away the good they have yet to perform.
BCB is right Chazzy. The software companys need to hire them to fix the crap they are selling us. Think about any other item you spend so much money on - and it doesn't work with out upgrades every 30 days. Oh and after they fix it - shoot um in the back of the head and dump um in the woods
...dump them in the woods??? And you call yourself a mid-westerner?? You gotta feed 'em to the hogs!!!You know dumping a corpse in the woods leaves behind too much forensic evidence!
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| February 16, 2005, 10:15 |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Your opinion wanted !
QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 16, 2005, 10:15) QUOTE (DEye @ February 16, 2005, 09:20) QUOTE (boredcountryboy @ February 16, 2005, 09:08)I always say send the best... just because someone fucked up in the past don't take away the good they have yet to perform.
BCB is right Chazzy. The software companys need to hire them to fix the crap they are selling us. Think about any other item you spend so much money on - and it doesn't work with out upgrades every 30 days. Oh and after they fix it - shoot um in the back of the head and dump um in the woods
...dump them in the woods??? And you call yourself a mid-westerner?? You gotta feed 'em to the hogs!!!You know dumping a corpse in the woods leaves behind too much forensic evidence!
not if you have as many coyotes as up here...
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| February 16, 2005, 10:21 |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Your opinion wanted !
QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 16, 2005, 10:15) QUOTE (DEye @ February 16, 2005, 09:20) QUOTE (boredcountryboy @ February 16, 2005, 09:08)I always say send the best... just because someone fucked up in the past don't take away the good they have yet to perform.
BCB is right Chazzy. The software companys need to hire them to fix the crap they are selling us. Think about any other item you spend so much money on - and it doesn't work with out upgrades every 30 days. Oh and after they fix it - shoot um in the back of the head and dump um in the woods
...dump them in the woods??? And you call yourself a mid-westerner?? You gotta feed 'em to the hogs!!!You know dumping a corpse in the woods leaves behind too much forensic evidence!
What was I thinking! I guess I'd make a bad -bad guy! Hogs it is, just like in Hannable!
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| February 16, 2005, 11:09 |
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armybody
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Re: Your opinion wanted !
QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 16, 2005, 08:40)How do you feel computers hackers should be dealt with?
When they are caught, and prosecuted, should antivirus software companies reward their previous illegal activities and hire them to help
design the software to thwart other hackers and virus programers
and make good use of their intellect, skills, and knowlegde ?
Or, because of the nature of their act, and the immense damage caused
by thier deliberate and malicious actions, should they be osterisized from the computing industry?
Bring back indentured servitude. They should be mandated to work for the systems they hacked. They will only be minimaly clothed and fed and berthed on site. At the satisfaction,and in the judgement of the affected parties, they shall be released from servitude and have thier debt to society paid.
At no time should they be allowed to profit from their crime. All code produced during indenturment would be proprietary license of the previously injured parties.
Then release them into Hothand's custody for a kind of soylent green sort of thing.
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| February 16, 2005, 11:24 |
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Re: Re: Your opinion wanted !
QUOTE (armybody @ February 16, 2005, 11:24) QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 16, 2005, 08:40)How do you feel computers hackers should be dealt with?
When they are caught, and prosecuted, should antivirus software companies reward their previous illegal activities and hire them to help
design the software to thwart other hackers and virus programers
and make good use of their intellect, skills, and knowlegde ?
Or, because of the nature of their act, and the immense damage caused
by thier deliberate and malicious actions, should they be osterisized from the computing industry?
Bring back indentured servitude. They should be mandated to work for the systems they hacked. They will only be minimaly clothed and fed and berthed on site. At the satisfaction,and in the judgement of the affected parties, they shall be released from servitude and have thier debt to society paid.
At no time should they be allowed to profit from their crime. All code produced during indenturment would be proprietary license of the previously injured parties.
Then release them into Hothand's custody for a kind of soylent green sort of thing.
Then can we shoot um and feed their sorry asses to the hogs?
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| February 16, 2005, 11:27 |
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I think they should be shown how governments have tainted the meanings of patriotism, global economy, and freedom, by sending them and the rest of the corrupt individuals off to fight the wars that people like them have orchestrated because their own personal greed.
As far as being lenient, the records show that 92% of all drug offenders, repeat their crimes, along with 85% of child and wife abusers and 95% of all thieves and racketeers. Take a look at the people who invented the deadly, unsafe nuclear devices, they are not considered criminals, (wonder why) but they are striving to build bigger and stronger devices to kill more people faster, the greed, power and money sickness never ends.
I think those criminals should be treated like (the public school systems did to those poor (UTHM) un-trainable mentally handicapped kids), put them all on the same bus and send them to the same place, where mainstream society cant be harmed by their criminal or malicious efforts .
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| February 16, 2005, 12:12 |
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armybody
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Then can we shoot um and feed their sorry asses to the hogs?
I guess hogs can eat turds...........yea,sure.
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| February 16, 2005, 15:36 |
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Well, I think I've read some excellent and interesting solutions to this problem ! Now, are there any hog farmers in our membership here?
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| February 16, 2005, 17:07 |
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I happen to be an"EX-Hog Rancher" myself.
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| February 16, 2005, 17:16 |
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TruckerWill
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Lucedale, Mississippi, US
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Re: Your opinion wanted !
QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 16, 2005, 08:40)How do you feel computers hackers should be dealt with?
When they are caught, and prosecuted, should antivirus software companies reward their previous illegal activities and hire them to help
design the software to thwart other hackers and virus programers
and make good use of their intellect, skills, and knowlegde ?
Or, because of the nature of their act, and the immense damage caused
by thier deliberate and malicious actions, should they be osterisized from the computing industry?
There is a couple old sayings :: To catch a crook.It takes a crook.and The best cops are crooks.Unfortunatly there is no way to know if they will go back to thier crooked ways.
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| February 16, 2005, 22:09 |
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allon
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just a thought, i know about the forensic evidence stuff. yeah ive seen csi, and i know about feeding the scum to the pigs/hogs but dosent the pigs/hogs dump as well and therefore there would be forensic evidence in that? if not its back to plan A for me!
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| February 18, 2005, 13:10 |
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There is only one problem, this is a worldwide situation. If you kill them all here, what about the rest of the globe. Other countries pay theses people to do this. Gonna travel to every inch of the world and try to kill them all ? Or take advantage of what they can do. Sorry people its already too late. So goes the old saying,'(You reap what you sow!) So live with it and invent better firewalls !!! Either that or a gaint EMP and start from scratch !!!!
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| February 18, 2005, 13:54 |
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Computer hackers that get caught weren't good enough matter. It's the ones still out there working that impress me.
On a side note, I chatted with a guy a few weeks ago, and he tried to run a "nigerian" scam on me right in the chat room. Told me he had 10 million bucks to sneak out of the Cent. African Repub. and If I would just give him my name, phone number and bank information he would let me have 2 million.
Like I would fall for that a second time... sheesh.
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| February 18, 2005, 14:24 |
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Wha?.......uh oh, you mean...he's not really gonna send me the money?????
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| February 21, 2005, 05:02 |
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allon
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how come everyone who goes off on a tangent in a posting gets grumbled at except our very own little miss precious knickers Kb !! 
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| February 21, 2005, 06:02 |
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QUOTE (kbateman @ February 18, 2005, 14:24)
On a side note, I chatted with a guy a few weeks ago, and he tried to run a "nigerian" scam on me right in the chat room. Told me he had 10 million bucks to sneak out of the Cent. African Repub. and If I would just give him my name, phone number and bank information he would let me have 2 million.
99% of the fraudulent orders here are from Cote D'Ivoire. The same as the nigerian scam. If someone is sending you such messages REPORT it asap! Help me keep WN clean of scammers and spammers 
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| February 21, 2005, 06:09 |
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QUOTE (allon @ February 18, 2005, 13:10)just a thought, i know about the forensic evidence stuff. yeah ive seen csi, and i know about feeding the scum to the pigs/hogs but dosent the pigs/hogs dump as well and therefore there would be forensic evidence in that? if not its back to plan A for me!
I don't have any first hand experience here, all I know that in Missouri, "feed 'em to the hogs" has replaced the "put' em a car trunk and sink the whole thing in a clay pit" as the top method of disposal.....
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| February 21, 2005, 06:22 |
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QUOTE (allon @ February 21, 2005, 06:02)how come everyone who goes off on a tangent in a posting gets grumbled at except our very own little miss precious knickers Kb !!
I think its called "attention scam" 
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| February 21, 2005, 06:33 |
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QUOTE (allon @ February 18, 2005, 13:10)just a thought, i know about the forensic evidence stuff. yeah ive seen csi, and i know about feeding the scum to the pigs/hogs but dosent the pigs/hogs dump as well and therefore there would be forensic evidence in that? if not its back to plan A for me!
Since hothands is the "ex-hog rancher", I'm hoping he can tell us.
So, can forensic evidence be found in hog shit?
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| February 21, 2005, 07:51 |
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Shockwave39
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Detroit, Michigan, US
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Re: Your opinion wanted !
QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 16, 2005, 08:40)How do you feel computers hackers should be dealt with?
When they are caught, and prosecuted, should antivirus software companies reward their previous illegal activities and hire them to help
design the software to thwart other hackers and virus programers
and make good use of their intellect, skills, and knowlegde ?
Or, because of the nature of their act, and the immense damage caused
by thier deliberate and malicious actions, should they be osterisized from the computing industry?
Everything you said, except while they are behind bars!!!
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| February 26, 2005, 04:02 |
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bawbie
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pro'bly, feedin them to alligators would be better.
"today's problem is tommorow's alligator shit" (i'm quoting myself here. or maybe paraphrasing. butyou get my drift.
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| February 27, 2005, 14:20 |
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xhibiton
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It depends on exactly how destructive and malicious they were.
If they destroyed files, spread proprietary data all over the net, and otherwise made a nuisance of themselves, then by all means, throw the book at them.
If they leave everything alone, and even inform the system owner of the security problem used, though, I don't see the point in trying to punish someone who tried to help. Many agree with this, from what I hear from time to time, but a lot don't. *shrugs*
When it comes down to it, every case is different, and should be judged on its own merits, and not just "HACKERS ARE EVIL!!!!" (Exactly what the term "hacker" truly means is another kettle of worms...)
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goinsth4u
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i have a funny hacker story if you can believe that. but to answer your question i tend to agree with xhibition if they really did seriuos damage then they should be forced to divulge technical info. this question reminds me of a true story about a counterfeiter who got out of federal prison and went on to become a mutimillionaire for developing banking security.
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| February 28, 2005, 00:31 |
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Re: Re: Your opinion wanted !
QUOTE (allon @ February 21, 2005, 06:02)how come everyone who goes off on a tangent in a posting gets grumbled at except our very own little miss precious knickers Kb !!
for more  3some .gif"> info on this oddity
<------------cute as hell girl willing to talk to you guys.
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| February 28, 2005, 12:18 |
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QUOTE (kbateman @ February 28, 2005, 12:18) QUOTE (allon @ February 21, 2005, 06:02)how come everyone who goes off on a tangent in a posting gets grumbled at except our very own little miss precious knickers Kb !!
for more 3some .gif"> info on this oddity
<------------cute as hell girl willing to talk to you guys.
Who is she? Do we know her? 
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| February 28, 2005, 13:18 |
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bawbie
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when i was in jr. high, my brother hacked into the school computer and showed me my grades.
absolutly refused to change any of them for me. he has a very rigid sense of right or wrong.
i really don't know what should be done with them. 3some .gif">
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