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Polygamist Ranch shenanigans...........
I'm sitting here watching the news and 3 women who are members of a sect that resides at a polygamist ranch in Texas, were being interviewed. Talk about stiff and unyielding? They just spouted the company line about how they are totally free to leave the sect if they choose, free to marry anybody they choose and said they don't know of any of the underage girls at that compound who are married or being sexually abused, ect, ect!!
What's your opinion on this whole matter?
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| April 16, 2008, 08:20 |
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They were raised to believe and say that kinda stuff, it's all they know.
I do NOT believe in polygamy when it's a "cult" and young boys are tossed away, and young girls are married off at puberty.
There are some adult polygamists that marry adults. It's a choice for them and some find that lifestyle suits them well, the women claim that with other wives, they have more time to pursue things to enrich their lives, jobs, careers, education, etc...and they are happy BUT they are all consenting adults who make the choice.
Anything that takes away the free will of children is just way wrong.
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| April 16, 2008, 08:30 |
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QUOTE (Chazzy @ April 16, 2008, 08:30)They were raised to believe and say that kinda stuff, it's all they know.
I do NOT believe in polygamy when it's a "cult" and young boys are tossed away, and young girls are married off at puberty.
There are some adult polygamists that marry adults. It's a choice for them and some find that lifestyle suits them well, the women claim that with other wives, they have more time to pursue things to enrich their lives, jobs, careers, education, etc...and they are happy BUT they are all consenting adults who make the choice.
Anything that takes away the free will of children is just way wrong.
You know Chazzy, the way you present your opinions are, to say the least, very astute and profound. You humble me to no end! Your opinions are well thought out and to the point. Maybe that's why you get the big bucks, huh?
As to the women interviewed, they appeared pretty automatonic to me. It looked as if they were reading from the teleprompter. Very stiff and unemotional! Only one of them showed any kind emotion when she talked about her 12 or so kids that were removed from the ranch and that appeared to be a scripted! Perhaps there was a sect "shaperone" nearby, just off camera?
Somethin' smells rotten there........
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| April 16, 2008, 09:03 |
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Re: Polygamist Ranch shenanigans...........
There are polygamists and then there's cults and sects that incorporate polygamy to somehow in some sick way...justify pedophilia. Pedophilia is always wrong.
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| April 16, 2008, 09:31 |
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Re: Polygamist Ranch shenanigans...........
I would agree with Chazzy. Did anyone else hear the answers to the question, do they marry young girls at age 15 or younger? Of course the gals that they were interviewing, would not answer that one. And yes, those gals were coached or what ever you want to call it. Did anyone really expect that someone who was living at the compound would actually say that these young girls were married off as young as 13, or that these girls where also having children at such a very young age. Even the ladies that were speaking, refused to answer at what age they where married or how many husbands they had.
The authorities are having a very hard time finding out what the kids names are. They seem to be going by so many different names.
They will figure it all out at some point in time, but this not going to be an easy one. I do think that the authorities did the right thing.
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| April 16, 2008, 09:41 |
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Some of those kids didn't even know who their parents were! 40-50'ish year old men having sex with teenagers... some against their will? It's not right. It's called "brainwashing" when it comes to the "adult" mothers. Yes, bill, I agree... they were like robots during their interviews. Very sad situation, indeed.
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| April 16, 2008, 10:01 |
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I saw that on the news and it was very concerning. How could any mother let her daughter be treated like that, sex against their will and married to old men who it seems just want sex with a very young girl . How sad for those children to have to be brought up and made to believe, as it's all they know, in such a place.
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| April 16, 2008, 10:19 |
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What is this world coming to?  I could respond to this in many ways, and I am sure we all could, just makes me sick!
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| April 16, 2008, 11:09 |
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Is anyone seeing a trend in this? Remember David Karesh and the "Branch Davidian Cult"? Perhaps it's a TX thing. 
At any rate, these are wrong. Marrying and having sex with any underage person always is.
Concerning the "legal age adults" practicing this, most men have one "real" wife that they support and love and take care of in all the traditional senses. The others are left to fend for themselves and are often on welfare.
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| April 19, 2008, 04:47 |
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Re: Re: Polygamist Ranch shenanigans...........
QUOTE (JCSOS @ April 19, 2008, 04:47)Is anyone seeing a trend in this? Remember David Karesh and the "Branch Davidian Cult"? Perhaps it's a TX thing.
At any rate, these are wrong. Marrying and having sex with any underage person always is.
Concerning the "legal age adults" practicing this, most men have one "real" wife that they support and love and take care of in all the traditional senses. The others are left to fend for themselves and are often on welfare.
I doubt very seriously that it's just a "Texas thing".... all eyes are upon us because of the David Karesh thing.
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| April 21, 2008, 10:03 |
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QUOTE (MoonHowler @ April 21, 2008, 10:03) QUOTE (JCSOS @ April 19, 2008, 04:47)Is anyone seeing a trend in this? Remember David Karesh and the "Branch Davidian Cult"? Perhaps it's a TX thing.
At any rate, these are wrong. Marrying and having sex with any underage person always is.
Concerning the "legal age adults" practicing this, most men have one "real" wife that they support and love and take care of in all the traditional senses. The others are left to fend for themselves and are often on welfare.
I doubt very seriously that it's just a "Texas thing".... all eyes are upon us because of the David Karesh thing.
Joking. 
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| April 25, 2008, 02:16 |
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Re: Polygamist Ranch shenanigans...........
I myself think that they should leave them alone and let it be . It's been going on like that since way before we where even in our parents wet dream's and it will keep on going way after we are dead. It would be like someone coming into your house and telling you that you cant live the way that you live . It make's me so sick that everyone has to been in everyone's face about how you live ,ppl need to worry about them and not about what other ppl. Now thats just the way I see it.
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| April 25, 2008, 02:49 |
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QUOTE (hard4urpussy @ April 25, 2008, 02:49)I myself think that they should leave them alone and let it be . It's been going on like that since way before we where even in our parents wet dream's and it will keep on going way after we are dead. It would be like someone coming into your house and telling you that you cant live the way that you live . It make's me so sick that everyone has to been in everyone's face about how you live ,ppl need to worry about them and not about what other ppl. Now thats just the way I see it.
So, you're ok with children being forced into sex and women being no more than slaves.----Interesting----
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| April 25, 2008, 08:16 |
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I cannot and would not condone what the "older" men did in Texas. But, cult or not, as long as the mothers are caring for their children appropriately, and the mothers seem to be genuinely caring for their children, I have a real hard time understanding the rationale and cruelty by the state of separating the children from their mothers.
Perhaps it might have been a whole lot wiser for the state if they provided necessary support for mother and child, thus allowing for some semblance of family to remain intact.
I am quite sure the state can and should make darned sure the fathers pay generous amounts of financial support to the mothers and children????
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| April 25, 2008, 08:40 |
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QUOTE (JCSOS @ April 25, 2008, 02:16) QUOTE (MoonHowler @ April 21, 2008, 10:03) QUOTE (JCSOS @ April 19, 2008, 04:47)Is anyone seeing a trend in this? Remember David Karesh and the "Branch Davidian Cult"? Perhaps it's a TX thing.
At any rate, these are wrong. Marrying and having sex with any underage person always is.
Concerning the "legal age adults" practicing this, most men have one "real" wife that they support and love and take care of in all the traditional senses. The others are left to fend for themselves and are often on welfare.
I doubt very seriously that it's just a "Texas thing".... all eyes are upon us because of the David Karesh thing.
Joking.
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| April 25, 2008, 09:35 |
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QUOTE (Hobscotch @ April 25, 2008, 08:40)I cannot and would not condone what the "older" men did in Texas. But, cult or not, as long as the mothers are caring for their children appropriately, and the mothers seem to be genuinely caring for their children, I have a real hard time understanding the rationale and cruelty by the state of separating the children from their mothers.
Perhaps it might have been a whole lot wiser for the state if they provided necessary support for mother and child, thus allowing for some semblance of family to remain intact.
I am quite sure the state can and should make darned sure the fathers pay generous amounts of financial support to the mothers and children????
They did mention something about returning the children to the younger mothers... not the older ones. I guess because they should've known better and let the things that happened happen....
It's all just a big mess and it IS wrong to let these men have sex with these.... little girls 
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| April 25, 2008, 09:37 |
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I don't think that they should return anyone to the ranch. As long as the men are there and running the show, nothing will change.
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| April 25, 2008, 11:50 |
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I think the main thing is, for the children to be safe.
I do know that there are those that believe that "we" (meaning big G) should not interfere with personal spiritual beliefs (I'm just trying to phrase all this to stay within the forum rules here"
There are tribes still living in the Amazon that all laws and spiritualism is based on 1000's of years of ancestry.
Some of these tribes practice female genital mutilation on their pre-pubescent girls, and do arrange marriages for them, and do marry them off against their will at times at very young ages...I'm only mentioning this because I do understand the moral dilemma...do we interfere with a culture and religion...or not?
This ain't the Amazon, these sect of people are well aware of the fact that they are defrauding the big G and breaking Federal and state laws...so...for me it's not a matter of a moral dilemma, we have laws to protect our children and anyone, regardless of faith, who breaks those laws should suffer the consequences. These women should have known that there are laws and living the way they were there was a chance of losing their children.
They tried to defraud the G for the money, but "fly under the radar" to follow an "illegal" lifestyle.
Religions that honestly believe this G is discriminating against them, will unite, group, organize and try to change the laws...this sect had no intention like that.
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| April 25, 2008, 13:04 |
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No I am not saying it's ok with the kid's and all , if anyone has ever read the bible , then you would see that was how it was way back then. So I am not saying it is right , but that's what they are going by and they think if god's ppl can do it then they can. So like I said its not right to have a young girl that age to marry someone that old , at least wait until they are 18 and legal then let them decide. They are going by the bible and I think they are taking thing's in it way out of context.
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| April 25, 2008, 13:45 |
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I'm just saying that they knowingly broke Federal and state laws and endangered their own children. They brought this on their own children and women who to the elder men, are just disposables anyway.
Broken laws... equals penalities and consequences.
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| April 25, 2008, 14:02 |
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I have read all the posts thus far and find each persons comments interesting. I think that Chazzy seems to have the best slant on things. However, I will comment that as far as age and marriage go I think it depends upon the individual. Noone should be forced into a marriage but I know many happy young ladies who have chosen to marry as young as 15 or 16. Their primary goal in life is to make the man that they love a good wife and to be a good mother to their children. Let me reassert though that I don't feel anyone should be forced into a marriage. I have also seen young people that because they have found themselves expecting a child marry only for that reason and that usually ends in divorce. Sorry  . As for pologomy, I have sometimes wondered what it would be like to have a husband with sister wives. If it were legal I could see my husband probably going for it. He says no though because he has a hard enough time handling my sexual urges. LOL 
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| April 25, 2008, 14:18 |
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QUOTE (hard4urpussy @ April 25, 2008, 13:45)No I am not saying it's ok with the kid's and all , if anyone has ever read the bible , then you would see that was how it was way back then. So I am not saying it is right , but that's what they are going by and they think if god's ppl can do it then they can. So like I said its not right to have a young girl that age to marry someone that old , at least wait until they are 18 and legal then let them decide. They are going by the bible and I think they are taking thing's in it way out of context.
The bible also says that that a person should live be " In the world and not of it" It is also taught to follow mans laws as well as Gods.
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| April 25, 2008, 14:54 |
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I would have to agree with Chazzy. This is still the USA and everyone, no matter what their belief's are, MUST live within the limits of the law. There have been many, so called cultures, sect's, what ever you call them, that have attempted to use religion as an excuse for many illegal activities. We tend to forget about those from the past. Remember Hitler, Muzilie, David Koresh, Jim Jones, and countless others that have used fear and terror to control people to conform to a particular way of thinking or life style that is out of the norm. For what? Power, money, sex. Polygamy is not what we are debating. I have no problem with anyone who wants to take on several wives, so to speak. There are thousands of polygamist's who live with in the City, County, State and Federal laws. With most of them that live that type of life style, they will only marry one lady, but the rest of the so-called wives are only co-habitors. This is about the child abuse that is rampant at that ranch. I guess if the ladies that do live there on the ranch, want to continue to live under those conditions, that is their problem. Those ladies are required to never cut their hair, and use their hair to wash the feet of the men, but by god my wife will never do that. They are of legal age and adults, and its really none of my business. It becomes our business when the under aged minor children are abused. I don't care how important you think you are, absolutly no one should be having sexual relations with any minor child as young as 13. That son-of-a-bitch should be staked to the ground, have his dick and balls cut off, and have honey poured all over their bodies, then left there to face what ever happens to them.
I hope that I got my point across and no one is confused by my rambling. See Moon, your not the only one who can ramble.
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| April 25, 2008, 14:55 |
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Yep...flp...Jim Jones was the first to come to my mind, he tried to evade our Federal laws by moving his sect to another country...but...his sect were all US citizens and still under US laws...then we all know what happened then..kool-aid chaos...
The men of this polygamists sect don't care about the welfare of these children now, they are only concerened that DNA will prove them to be the father's of the underaged girls offspring, cuz they know the laws and what that would mean...
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| April 25, 2008, 15:02 |
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Hell I wouldn't mind having a few wifes that could do all the work and let me ride the harley all over the country and not have to worry about working . Shit that would be nice not have to worry about anything
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| April 25, 2008, 19:03 |
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The polygamy families I've seen interviewed in depth (I think it was PBS's "Frontline" were all adults, they made the choice and the women were quite happy, the younger wives pretty much were the nannies and at home bearing the young, and the older onew with older children were free to pursue any career, business or hobby they chose, they were free to chose to leave the lifestyle as well and all the children knew who there biological mother and father were.
The man of the house, was just a man...not a self proclaimed prohphet imparting any laws he wished...he was just a man...
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| April 25, 2008, 20:22 |
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Re: Polygamist Ranch shenanigans...........
If you study the bible long enough anyone can interpret the meanings to mean what they want. These cults are not religious, that's just the excuse to do these kind of things, And it should be stopped for the safety of children and weak willed people who turn to these people in the hope of comfort and guidance, but sadly get neither.
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