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Other people's children....
Thinking of your friends and family, how well do you deal with the bad behavior of other people's children?
Do you just cringe quietly when they get mouthy, throw tantrums and let the parents deal with it, would you say anything to Mommy and Daddy about how you unacceptable you think the behavior is?
Would you risk or end a friendship because of their mean, cussin' tantrum throwing brats?
How about strangers with brats in a public place, like when you're shopping or at a restaurant? Would you say anything or give them one of those "looks"?
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January 31, 2008, 08:39 |
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Re: Other people's children....
QUOTE (Chazzy @ January 31, 2008, 08:39)Thinking of your friends and family, how well do you deal with the bad behavior of other people's children?
Do you just cringe quietly when they get mouthy, throw tantrums and let the parents deal with it, would you say anything to Mommy and Daddy about how you unacceptable you think the behavior is?
Would you risk or end a friendship because of their mean, cussin' tantrum throwing brats?
How about strangers with brats in a public place, like when you're shopping or at a restaurant? Would you say anything or give them one of those "looks"?
I have a weird calming effect on kids ( must have something to do with my boring personality ) If I see they are acting up I'll ask the parents permission to talk to them and I can get them to calm down really quickly. A lot of the time they just need undivided attention that they can't get at the time and don't understand that Mom/Dad have other things on their mind.
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January 31, 2008, 09:34 |
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Liberalwife
47 / female north, England, UK
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Re: Other people's children....
My way of dealing with any child, is to avoid them at all costs!
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January 31, 2008, 10:22 |
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funlovingpair
59 / couple Frozen Tundra, Minnesota, US
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I start to smirk and tell Ma how glad we are, that we don't have to deal with that anymore. Better them than me.
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January 31, 2008, 10:22 |
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My kids fuss and fight when their at home... not too much, though. But when we're out somewhere they behave themselves really well. When I see that other kids are acting like heathens, I just smile and thank my lucky stars that I've been doing something right all these years.
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February 1, 2008, 09:33 |
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Re: Other people's children....
other people's children: "blesss the little darlins"!!!!
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February 1, 2008, 09:42 |
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Re: Other people's children....
QUOTE (Chazzy @ January 31, 2008, 08:39)Thinking of your friends and family, how well do you deal with the bad behavior of other people's children?
Do you just cringe quietly when they get mouthy, throw tantrums and let the parents deal with it, would you say anything to Mommy and Daddy about how you unacceptable you think the behavior is?
Would you risk or end a friendship because of their mean, cussin' tantrum throwing brats?
How about strangers with brats in a public place, like when you're shopping or at a restaurant? Would you say anything or give them one of those "looks"?
Of course I would say something...I would politely go up to them and say, "you should have used a condom."
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February 1, 2008, 20:47 |
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I can barely contain myself if I see a child in a store, having a tantrum to the point of physically hitting his mother and calling her curse names like "bitch"....oh gawd, that is just unaceptable!!! How does a kid get that freakin' mean?
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February 3, 2008, 22:12 |
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QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 3, 2008, 22:12)I can barely contain myself if I see a child in a store, having a tantrum to the point of physically hitting his mother and calling her curse names like "bitch"....oh gawd, that is just unaceptable!!! How does a kid get that freakin' mean?
I've been through the gamut of child raising, I have a 22 year old, a seven year old, and a five year old. My oldest is the one I had the most difficulty with when he was a teenager, the smart mouth thing doesn't really work well with me. My little ones don't really act out much. I find if I lower myself down to eye to eye contact and quietly ask/demand that they behave we don't usually have a recurrence of bad behavior. The only time there are issues that become problems may be when one of them isn't feeling well or is over tired and even then they are pretty easily straightened out. I didn't say they weren't active but they aren't mean.
On the friends kid thing, it depends on my relationship with the child. If it is one of my best friends kids and they have known me most of their lives usually I just make a comment that shocks the hell out of them like..."good grief Liz, I didn't know Jr. could screech so loud, he sounds just like that girl on Hannah Montana." One time my best friends little girl pushed her Mom and screamed at her when I was standing there. I got down on her level and said, "You know I love you but I am extremely disappointed that you have such a lack of respect for your Mom. I love your Mom alot too and it hurts my heart to see you treat her like that." That happened about three years ago and my friend said recently she'd never had a problem with that again.
Chazzy, to be honest, when you see kids acting mean I think it is learned behavior. Kids that are cussing or hitting are usually feeling powerless. The cussing thing is definitely learned, if you or anyone else cusses at them...you should expect the same in return and remember you never know who it will be directed towards (teachers, ministers, etc.). I think that old saying "Children should be seen and not heard is a bunch of crap." Part of parenting is listening to what they have to say...I've learned alot from my kids.
And hell yes, when I am in public and I see a parent struggling with their kids I want to give my kids a big ole' pat on the back and say, "Thanks for not being such a brat."
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February 3, 2008, 23:21 |
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QUOTE (Juilianna @ February 3, 2008, 23:21) QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 3, 2008, 22:12)I can barely contain myself if I see a child in a store, having a tantrum to the point of physically hitting his mother and calling her curse names like "bitch"....oh gawd, that is just unaceptable!!! How does a kid get that freakin' mean?
I've been through the gamut of child raising, I have a 22 year old, a seven year old, and a five year old. My oldest is the one I had the most difficulty with when he was a teenager, the smart mouth thing doesn't really work well with me. My little ones don't really act out much. I find if I lower myself down to eye to eye contact and quietly ask/demand that they behave we don't usually have a recurrence of bad behavior. The only time there are issues that become problems may be when one of them isn't feeling well or is over tired and even then they are pretty easily straightened out. I didn't say they weren't active but they aren't mean.
On the friends kid thing, it depends on my relationship with the child. If it is one of my best friends kids and they have known me most of their lives usually I just make a comment that shocks the hell out of them like..."good grief Liz, I didn't know Jr. could screech so loud, he sounds just like that girl on Hannah Montana." One time my best friends little girl pushed her Mom and screamed at her when I was standing there. I got down on her level and said, "You know I love you but I am extremely disappointed that you have such a lack of respect for your Mom. I love your Mom alot too and it hurts my heart to see you treat her like that." That happened about three years ago and my friend said recently she'd never had a problem with that again.
Chazzy, to be honest, when you see kids acting mean I think it is learned behavior. Kids that are cussing or hitting are usually feeling powerless. The cussing thing is definitely learned, if you or anyone else cusses at them...you should expect the same in return and remember you never know who it will be directed towards (teachers, ministers, etc.). I think that old saying "Children should be seen and not heard is a bunch of crap." Part of parenting is listening to what they have to say...I've learned alot from my kids.
And hell yes, when I am in public and I see a parent struggling with their kids I want to give my kids a big ole' pat on the back and say, "Thanks for not being such a brat."
word on the street and Internet, is Juils...YOU were a brat kid!!
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February 4, 2008, 10:55 |
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dave2big
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many years ago when my late mother was a clerk at a JC Pennys store, she watched a 5-year old boy opening storage drawers (under the display counters) and throwing clothing out onto the floor. when she brought it to the mothers attention, the lady bent over,gently ruffled the little boys hair and said in an apologetic tone,"please stop that ", the boy just turned his head and told his mother,"shut up bitch ,or i will bite your damned leg!" now i have not thought about that scene for a long time,but what would any of you done in that situation? i know exactly what I would have done,but i am pretty sure i would have gone DIRECTLY to jail............
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February 4, 2008, 11:35 |
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QUOTE (Liberalwife @ January 31, 2008, 10:22)My way of dealing with any child, is to avoid them at all costs!
Unless they are way out of control, I tolerate them. After all, I get to leave.
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February 4, 2008, 12:28 |
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With a whole village full of parents these days, it would seem that youngin's ought to be a whole lot more disciplined and respectful than us old farts were way back in the good ole days, huh????
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February 4, 2008, 12:56 |
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QUOTE (TropiFun @ February 4, 2008, 10:55) QUOTE (Juilianna @ February 3, 2008, 23:21) QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 3, 2008, 22:12)I can barely contain myself if I see a child in a store, having a tantrum to the point of physically hitting his mother and calling her curse names like "bitch"....oh gawd, that is just unaceptable!!! How does a kid get that freakin' mean?
I've been through the gamut of child raising, I have a 22 year old, a seven year old, and a five year old. My oldest is the one I had the most difficulty with when he was a teenager, the smart mouth thing doesn't really work well with me. My little ones don't really act out much. I find if I lower myself down to eye to eye contact and quietly ask/demand that they behave we don't usually have a recurrence of bad behavior. The only time there are issues that become problems may be when one of them isn't feeling well or is over tired and even then they are pretty easily straightened out. I didn't say they weren't active but they aren't mean.
On the friends kid thing, it depends on my relationship with the child. If it is one of my best friends kids and they have known me most of their lives usually I just make a comment that shocks the hell out of them like..."good grief Liz, I didn't know Jr. could screech so loud, he sounds just like that girl on Hannah Montana." One time my best friends little girl pushed her Mom and screamed at her when I was standing there. I got down on her level and said, "You know I love you but I am extremely disappointed that you have such a lack of respect for your Mom. I love your Mom alot too and it hurts my heart to see you treat her like that." That happened about three years ago and my friend said recently she'd never had a problem with that again.
Chazzy, to be honest, when you see kids acting mean I think it is learned behavior. Kids that are cussing or hitting are usually feeling powerless. The cussing thing is definitely learned, if you or anyone else cusses at them...you should expect the same in return and remember you never know who it will be directed towards (teachers, ministers, etc.). I think that old saying "Children should be seen and not heard is a bunch of crap." Part of parenting is listening to what they have to say...I've learned alot from my kids.
And hell yes, when I am in public and I see a parent struggling with their kids I want to give my kids a big ole' pat on the back and say, "Thanks for not being such a brat."
word on the street and Internet, is Juils...YOU were a brat kid!!
I'm still a brat, that is why I know how to make my kids not BRATS!!! Have you ever seen me not get a pair of shoes I want...UGLY...UGLY...UGLY!!!
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February 4, 2008, 20:48 |
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wandering5tar
53 / male London, England, UK
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Re: Other people's children....
This is what you missing Chazzy...
IT'LL MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER - GUARANTEED!!!!!!!!!!!
Go back in time.... Before the Internet and DVDs. Before shootings, stabbings, joy-riders and crystal meth...Before SEGA, Super Nintendo or Playstation.
Way back...
I'm talking about hide and seek in the park. The corner shop, hopscotch, go carts, cricket in front of the rubbish bin, skipping, handstands, footy on the road, british bulldog, go home stay home, slip'n'slide on the lawn on christmas day, the trampoline with water on it, hula hoops, pogo sticks, jumping in enormous puddles, mud pies and building dams in the gutter. Summer lasted all holidays, and it hardly rained, and when it did you would see all your friends at the cinema.
'Big bubbles no troubles' with hubba bubba bubblegum. A choc-top Mr Whippy cone on a warm summer night after you've chased him 'round the block. Watching cartoons...short adverts on TV, Thunderbirds, Jamie and the Magic Torch, Batfink, Hong Kong Phooey, Tiswas. When around the corner seemed far away, and going into town seemed like going somewhere.
A million mozzie bites, wasp and bee stings. Sticky fingers. Cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians, riding bikes and catching tadpoles. Drawing all over the road with chalk. Climbing trees. Walking to school, no matter what the weather. Running till you were out of breath. Laughing so hard that your stomach hurt. Jumping on the bed. Pillow fights, spinning around, getting dizzy and falling down was cause for the giggles. Being tired from playing...
Remember that?
The worst embarrassment was being picked last for a team. Water balloons were the ultimate weapon. Raleigh Choppers and Grifters, ape hangers and banana seats and long fluorescent flags...eating raw jelly, making homemade lemonade. It wasn't odd to have two or three "best" friends. You didn't sleep a wink on Christmas eve. When nobody owned a pure-bred dog. When nearly everyone's mum was at home when the kids got there from school.
It was magic when dad would "remove" his thumb. When it was considered a great privilege to be taken out to tea at the pub with your parents. When any parent could discipline any kid, or feed them or ask them to help carry the shopping bags and nobody, not even the kid, thought a thing of it. When being sent to the headmaster's office was nothing compared to that which awaited a misbehaving student at home. Basically, we were in fear for our lives, but it wasn't because of drive-by shootings, drugs, gangs, etc. Our parents and grandparents were a much bigger threat! And some of us are still afraid of them!!! When you spoke to adults by calling them Mr or Mrs whoever, and Auntie or Uncle rather than their first names.
Didn't that feel good? Just to go back and say, Yeah, I remember that! Remember when.... Decisions were made by going eeny-meeny-miney-mo. Race issue" meant arguing about who ran the fastest. Money issues were handled by whoever was the banker in "Monopoly". The worst thing you could catch from the opposite sex was boy/girl germs, and the worst thing in your day was having to sit next to one. Having a weapon in school, meant being caught with a catapult. Nobody was better than your Mum. Scrapes and bruises were kissed and made better. Taking drugs meant orange-flavoured chewable vitamin C. Ice cream was considered a basic food group. Abilities were discovered because of a "double-dare". Older siblings were the worst tormentors, but also the fiercest protectors.
If you can remember most or of these, then you have LIVED! Pass this on to anyone who may need a break from their "grown up" life...
Because - TAG, You're it!!
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February 5, 2008, 05:49 |
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Ah Wandering, I live like a kid every chance I get! I'll skip over the fancy imported chocolates any day for a bag full of skittles, pixie sticks, sweet-tarts and Necca wafers.
Gardening, landscaping, and yard work is just an excuse to get neck high in mud and dirt.
Working outside during July and August because it's the best time of the summer to indulge in cold water straight from the garden hose.
I like going barefoot during the summer even if it means an extra 20 minutes in the shower to get my feet clean!
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February 7, 2008, 20:46 |
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wandering5tar
53 / male London, England, UK
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QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 7, 2008, 20:46)Ah Wandering, I live like a kid every chance I get! I'll skip over the fancy imported chocolates any day for a bag full of skittles, pixie sticks, sweet-tarts and Necca wafers.
Gardening, landscaping, and yard work is just an excuse to get neck high in mud and dirt.
Working outside during July and August because it's the best time of the summer to indulge in cold water straight from the garden hose.
I like going barefoot during the summer even if it means an extra 20 minutes in the shower to get my feet clean!
Does your inner child want to come out and play Chazzy?
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February 8, 2008, 03:12 |
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Oh my inner child comes out everyday, at least for a little while!
Ya know, talking about children's behavior...I do remember when I was a tiny thing. We lived in a small rural town and my mother would often take me with her when she went to visit the elder women in the neighborhood.
It seems that just about all of these grandmotherly type of women had one thing in common....a filled candy dish on their coffee table.
This candy dish seemed to be some sort of "test" for any visiting mother and child. How well you raised your child could be gauged by that fancy gaudy tempting full candy dish.
My momma taught me manners, and I knew when I walked in to one of these ladies homes that it was rude and wrong to even acknowledge it was there! I was not to look at it, stare at it and most of all...touch it or ask for candy.
The elder woman would eventually, what seemed like hours into the visit, offer me a piece of candy. My mother nervously watched to see if I put my manners into practice by always turning down the first offer politely, then accepting when offered again, only then would I take one piece while giving a polite "Thank you very much" and sit back quietly speaking only when spoken too and never accept a second piece of candy.
These sweet dear old ladies and their candy dish judgment of how well you are raising your children!
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February 8, 2008, 08:01 |
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wandering5tar
53 / male London, England, UK
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QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 8, 2008, 08:01)Oh my inner child comes out everyday, at least for a little while!
Ya know, talking about children's behavior...I do remember when I was a tiny thing. We lived in a small rural town and my mother would often take me with her when she went to visit the elder women in the neighborhood.
It seems that just about all of these grandmotherly type of women had one thing in common....a filled candy dish on their coffee table.
This candy dish seemed to be some sort of "test" for any visiting mother and child. How well you raised your child could be gauged by that fancy gaudy tempting full candy dish.
My momma taught me manners, and I knew when I walked in to one of these ladies homes that it was rude and wrong to even acknowledge it was there! I was not to look at it, stare at it and most of all...touch it or ask for candy.
The elder woman would eventually, what seemed like hours into the visit, offer me a piece of candy. My mother nervously watched to see if I put my manners into practice by always turning down the first offer politely, then accepting when offered again, only then would I take one piece while giving a polite "Thank you very much" and sit back quietly speaking only when spoken too and never accept a second piece of candy.
These sweet dear old ladies and their candy dish judgment of how well you are raising your children!
Those sweet little old ladies certainly knew what they were doing!
The ability to defer instant gratification for longer-term benefit is one of the key differentiating characteristics of humans from most other animals. It is a classic measure of maturity in children. Sadly our consumer society is constantly bombarding us with the opposite messages about instant credit, fast food etc. Hence sub-prime mortgages, international credit squeeze and so on.
The barbarians are at the gate; it's the fall of Rome all over again; when I was a lad; etc. etc. etc.
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February 8, 2008, 10:59 |
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That old saying about "It takes a village to raise a child"
Yep, those stern but sweet old ladies of the neighborhood and their candy dishes made sure they did their part in the village!
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February 9, 2008, 11:54 |
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wandering5tar
53 / male London, England, UK
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QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 9, 2008, 11:54)That old saying about "It takes a village to raise a child"
Yep, those stern but sweet old ladies of the neighborhood and their candy dishes made sure they did their part in the village!
Mmmm - stern ladies...
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February 9, 2008, 14:49 |
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Seems silly and old fashioned, but thier opinion really did matter to my mother, and all the other mothers.
I'm thankful that I was taught to respect the home and property of others, and to mind my manners and the sweet old ladies definitly had a part in that.
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February 9, 2008, 17:20 |
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wandering5tar
53 / male London, England, UK
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QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 9, 2008, 17:20)Seems silly and old fashioned, but thier opinion really did matter to my mother, and all the other mothers.
I'm thankful that I was taught to respect the home and property of others, and to mind my manners and the sweet old ladies definitly had a part in that.
Certainly in the UK, there is no such concept of extended family or community anymore. In the absence of these structures, the legal system is trying to handle situations for which it was never intended and we either have youngsters "let off" and thereby encouraged into more serious crimes or put into prisons where they complete their criminal education and emerge fully qualified!
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February 9, 2008, 17:53 |
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47 / female north, England, UK
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QUOTE (wandering5tar @ February 9, 2008, 17:53) QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 9, 2008, 17:20)Seems silly and old fashioned, but thier opinion really did matter to my mother, and all the other mothers.
I'm thankful that I was taught to respect the home and property of others, and to mind my manners and the sweet old ladies definitly had a part in that.
Certainly in the UK, there is no such concept of extended family or community anymore. In the absence of these structures, the legal system is trying to handle situations for which it was never intended and we either have youngsters "let off" and thereby encouraged into more serious crimes or put into prisons where they complete their criminal education and emerge fully qualified!
Yeah at what he said.
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February 9, 2008, 18:09 |
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Re: Other people's children....
Of course I really do believe that some children do suffer from disorders, hyperactivity and such...but I also believe that most any child can be taught manners and the difference between right and wrong.
I've seen allot of children raised with some new age notion that discipline stifles their little free creative sports, and that respect for others might damage their young self esteem, and that they have an equal right to their opinions about very adult things and decisions...trying to be thier best friend.
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February 10, 2008, 17:24 |
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Re: Re: Other people's children....
QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 10, 2008, 17:24)Of course I really do believe that some children do suffer from disorders, hyperactivity and such...but I also believe that most any child can be taught manners and the difference between right and wrong.
I've seen allot of children raised with some new age notion that discipline stifles their little free creative sports, and that respect for others might damage their young self esteem, and that they have an equal right to their opinions about very adult things and decisions...trying to be thier best friend.
Yeah, all my kids friends call me by my first name that thier parents introduced me as, my kids call thier parents Mr, whatever and Mrs. Whatever. No first name basis for my kids they need to show some respect.
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February 11, 2008, 00:00 |
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wandering5tar
53 / male London, England, UK
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Re: Re: Other people's children....
QUOTE (Chazzy @ February 10, 2008, 17:24)Of course I really do believe that some children do suffer from disorders, hyperactivity and such...but I also believe that most any child can be taught manners and the difference between right and wrong.
I've seen allot of children raised with some new age notion that discipline stifles their little free creative sports, and that respect for others might damage their young self esteem, and that they have an equal right to their opinions about very adult things and decisions...trying to be thier best friend.
Two of my kids suffer from ADHD and it is very difficult but you can't use it as an excuse for allowing them to disrespect others as it is more harmful in the long run than confronting it early on. I like to think I am a friend to them, but sometimes friends have to tell you things you might not want to hear...
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February 11, 2008, 12:55 |
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I think parents can be their children's best friend, as long as that "parent factor" comes first.
I remember a few children at school that I'm so certain must have suffered from attention deficit disorders, and could have very well led a much improved, healthier and happier life if they had been diagnosed and treated.
But back then, they were just sent to the Principals office, notes written home, and detention freely and frequently given.
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February 11, 2008, 14:39 |
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